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85mm f1.4-1.8 experience
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
How about Rokkor MC 85mm 1.7 or MD 85 2.0? Very Happy I think it is not so bad.


PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:06 pm    Post subject: Re: 85mm f1.4-1.8 experience Reply with quote
aleksanderpolo wrote:

1. Samyang 85/1.4: How is its microcontrast/edge definition and flare resistance? The photozone test show it doesn't improve much stopped down?
2. C/Y Planar 85/1.4: Is it too contrasty wide open to f2? Does it not perform well at the distance I am working with?
3. Nikkor 85/1.8 Ai: Had it once, thought it was a little heavy for a f1.8 lens, didn't shoot much with it and sold it, maybe I need to revisit it?
4. Nikkor 85/1.4 AiS: Too heavy?
6. Pentax 85/1.8: Is it good? How about the 77/1.8 limited?


Have a look here: http://www.prime35.com/85mm-portrait-lenses-compared/

As to your list, my findings are:
1. The Samyang has low contrast and low micro-contrast. This was not to my liking. The bokeh is definitely smooth though, good flare resistance and very good sharpness even wide open.
2. The Planar is great in all respects. NOT too contrasty at 1.4, but has good contrast from f/2 down. Works fine at all distances.
3. The Nikkor 1.8 is very nice, gives vintage rendering and is very sharp/contrasty when stopped down.
4. The 1.4 version is a bit hefty, bit its creamy rendering and excellent performance will pay for the extra weight you have to carry.
6. The Pentax 85/1.8 is great, but I didn't find it much more interesting than the Nikkor 85/1.8. The Pentax is way more expensive though. And if you have the money to buy the 77 Ltd, by all means stop asking and go buy and use that lens! It's an optical marel.


PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: 85mm f1.4-1.8 experience Reply with quote
aoleg wrote:
As to your list, my findings are:
1. The Samyang has low contrast and low micro-contrast. This was not to my liking. The bokeh is definitely smooth though, good flare resistance and very good sharpness even wide open.


Really? I've seen many pictures from that lens in its various brands and was always impressed. I'm not so much questioning your experience as just expressing surprise. Maybe I'll never understand what exactly in a lens' it is that creates the 3-D pop, but I thought micro contrast was a factor. That is one thing I have observed from the Samyang - pop. Somewhere in the MF forum is a comparison of the Samyang and Planar if my memory serves, and the differences were not that great, but the price certainly is.

I've got the Hexanon 85/1.8 and while I haven't assessed it properly yet, I don't see it as competition to the Planar and Samyang, but maybe the others?


PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've tested the Planar and Samyang indoors and they are both very sharp, even from wide open. Outdoors though the Samyang loses contrast and the Planar is better. That said, the Samyang is incredible value for money and better than many older 85s, which probably command a higher fee in the used lens market.


PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I can tell about the Canon FDn 85/1.8 : good. Very good if not excelent quality/price ratio . If you want some bigger files to juge for yourself , PM me .
No PP at all. Portrait style or standard style setting on NEX 3 f 2.8 or 4 ,if I remember well



PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Try this, too:

http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/fl/data/19-85/fl_85_18.html

This was its US patent:

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3066575


PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:47 pm    Post subject: Re: 85mm f1.4-1.8 experience Reply with quote
Thank you for your helpful comments and the link.

1. Ya, that's what I fear...
2. Looks like I will need to try the Planar for 1.4
3-4. I don't know why I didn't bond with the Nikkor 1.8 the first time around, maybe I should try it again. I think I will skip the 1.4 and try the planar instead. Both the Nikkor 85/1.4 and L 85/1.2 look intimidating
6. I am itching towards the 77/1.8 too, but I've heard (and seen samples) of its more pronounced purple fringing from f1.8-f2, which is what makes me dislike lens like the CV 50/1.5. So, is it very bad compared to 85/1.8 K?

And o wow the Pancolor, if the price is not that high... (thanks Attila for the link, I think the Biotar is not my cup of tea though)

Thanks.



aoleg wrote:


Have a look here: http://www.prime35.com/85mm-portrait-lenses-compared/

As to your list, my findings are:
1. The Samyang has low contrast and low micro-contrast. This was not to my liking. The bokeh is definitely smooth though, good flare resistance and very good sharpness even wide open.
2. The Planar is great in all respects. NOT too contrasty at 1.4, but has good contrast from f/2 down. Works fine at all distances.
3. The Nikkor 1.8 is very nice, gives vintage rendering and is very sharp/contrasty when stopped down.
4. The 1.4 version is a bit hefty, bit its creamy rendering and excellent performance will pay for the extra weight you have to carry.
6. The Pentax 85/1.8 is great, but I didn't find it much more interesting than the Nikkor 85/1.8. The Pentax is way more expensive though. And if you have the money to buy the 77 Ltd, by all means stop asking and go buy and use that lens! It's an optical marel.


PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:24 pm    Post subject: nikkor clarification..... Reply with quote
There is no 85/1.8 AI Nikkor....

There are a few different versions of the 85/1.8, and some availability of those 1.8 lenses with the Nikon AI conversion aperture ring, like the 1.8 K on the left below....and some that were simply converted with a notch cut into the rear of the aperture ring.

There is the 85/2 AIS Nikkor....much more compact than the 1.8...I got the 85/2 for the Nikon F...I liked the lighter more compact lens...but when I went to Canon digitalSLR (30D) I came to like the heft of the earlier 1.8 version...




Now as for those 85/1.8 versions....
The models marked H and H.C are the original silver and black versions...the "C" meaning that that lens has multicoating...
There is also the 1.8 K model which is the modernized black clad version, with the rubber focusing barrel....

The K has a bit more contrast and brightness than the H (about 1/3 an F-stop)...I don't know how the H.C compares...

As for recommendations....I liked all the 85s I had...the 1.8 H, the 85/2 and the 1.8 K I now have....

Here's a 100% crop @ 5.6 with the 85/1.8 H version...



PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
mfkita wrote:
Here's a 100% crop @ 5.6 with the 85/1.8 H version...



Shocked Shocked UGLY! Laughing


PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: 85mm f1.4-1.8 experience Reply with quote
woodrim wrote:
aoleg wrote:
As to your list, my findings are:
1. The Samyang has low contrast and low micro-contrast. This was not to my liking. The bokeh is definitely smooth though, good flare resistance and very good sharpness even wide open.


Really? I've seen many pictures from that lens in its various brands and was always impressed.
...

Well, try the Samyang and the Zeiss side by side. It's easy to see the difference in contrast and micro-constrast between the two lenses. If comparing the old Nikkor 85/1.8 with the modern Samyang, the differences will be much less striking - although the old Nikkor will be sharper and more contrasty when stopped down (after all, it was designed to be at its sharpest at mid apertures, while the Samyang appears to be a one-trick pony - optimized for highest wide open performance at mid distances). I am not saying whether this is a bad thing or not - after all, many photographers do prefer a somewhat muted contrast (one can always boost it in the post... or so it seems), and most will buy the Samyang for its 1.4 aperture and not for its super-sharpness at 5.6-8. But to address your question - yes, the contrast is lower than with other 85mm's.


PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here's another near 100% crop from the 85/1.8-H seen in the above post @ F2.8



PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Can anyone redirect me to threads about nikkor 85/1.4 ais in this forum?
How's the nikkor 85/1.4 ais compare with the other 85?


PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
hoanpham wrote:
Can anyone redirect me to threads about nikkor 85/1.4 ais in this forum?
How's the nikkor 85/1.4 ais compare with the other 85?

Same good Smile


PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
So you say any 85/1.4 is ok? Just grab one of them, am i correct? Laughing


PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
See my post in mflclub
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