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Messing with Meyer Trioplan 100. Again, butterflies
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

thank you for your input!

You were lucky to get the Trioplan 100 that cheap!
Seems like many lenses are increasing in price all the time. I guess we have th thank the mirror less cameras for that Wink

Weak and fast auctin....wow, you sound like a pro! I just got started with eBay and read some tips about waiting to the last second to get an item....but a weak auction...hmmmm....interesting! Thanks!

Well, if the black ones maybe are not getting so much attention, I will go for it as I am no collector. Just an engineer having fun with older (and weirder) lenses Smile


Best,
Sigurd


PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sigurd Ruschkowski wrote:
Hi, thank you for your input!

You're welcome

Sigurd Ruschkowski wrote:
You were lucky to get the Trioplan 100 that cheap!
Seems like many lenses are increasing in price all the time. I guess we have th thank the mirror less cameras for that Wink

Not in my place, since we're expecting winter.

Sigurd Ruschkowski wrote:
Weak and fast auctin....wow, you sound like a pro! I just got started with eBay and read some tips about waiting to the last second to get an item....but a weak auction...hmmmm....interesting! Thanks!

I'm ebaying only less than one year, but I probably have some mechrant skills Very Happy I clearly won many also with some luck, just as I lost some with some bad luck, or lack of clever behavior Very Happy I'm simply talking about missing the end of the auction without earlier bidding at all, trying "not to show my cards too soon" or so. This way I missed Tele Ennaston for 2, Telemegor 400 for 1 (in one case no one bidded, not a soul! Next time, it might have cost 100...), silver Sonnar 135 around 10 twice or three times, ...

And I mostly won the item making highest bid possible (acceptable for me) as early as possible (see what I've wrote about missing the end of the auction being far from the PC, etc.), ain't rushing anything in the last possible minute which could turn REALLY emotional and irrational. Emotions doesn't really fit into my ebay (or aukro.cz, to be correct) strategy.

Generally, I try not to fell in love in just one lens, probably best mindset for saving some money is not to need anything particular right now. I bought item emotionally, in rush and I bought another one patiently, after missing really many auctions I didn't mind to and in the second case the results were obviously better for my wallet. I also bid actively if the item offers are somehow more abundant than normally, which also generally leads to better prices (very simple offer vs. demand rule) but this needs a bit experience and knowledge of the lens.

Regarding collecting silver lens, I'm not a collector but photographer. Sometimes silvers are scarcer and "more valuable" (no racionality included), like that 400mm Telemegor that would be hardly overlooked in a silver version. Prefering silver against black just a bit complicates my transactions but system remains the same. As I already claimed, I'm really patient, having plenty of cool lens to shoot with already Very Happy

P.S. if you look, just look, closely on final winning prices of a certain lens, you'll find some lens prices to be VERY fluctuating, sometimes in hundreds of %, or even thousands. Why on earth would you pay hundreds of % more for?


Marek


PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Autumn with my very "unsharp" friend, Trioplan Very Happy





PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marek: Wonderful images. Not only are the butterflies different from what I see here, but your images/style are unique. I suspect your processing of the images contributes. Might you consider re-loading the images that are missing from earlier posts?


PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent use of these lenses.


PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you. I actually don't yet know if I'm used to upload incorrectly or is the vanishing in time a natural part of the process. Be that as it may, I have uploaded all my butterfly related stuff (and generally most of my stuff) on Flickr, creating a gallery for each lens I work with.

It looks far better in the Flickr layout anyway. It was always somehow enlarged here.

I myself see a lot of room for improvements for a lens like this, and if I could time-travel, I would change something on half of the photos or more Razz This clean and surprisingly also sharp Argynnis aglaja photo is my favourite so far.


PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice work!


PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Popular butterfly shot with a popular lens. Apollo meets Trioplan Very Happy



PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazing shots!!

(I will place the portraits in another thread if you don't mind Marek, too good to get lost here...)


PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the new butterfly season is officially happening. Yayay!



Many things changed, I have M42 Trioplan with very practical small old extension ring instead. However the drawing remains the same - possibly my favourite for butterflies.

As you may see MFD on the Telemegor on the left is pretty spooky (2.65 m) so the ring will be very useful this year.



EXA version of the Trioplan.



Marek


PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I may. What causes the almost dynamic background effects of some of the lenses on this site?


Oh and nice photos.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MartinCrabtree wrote:
If I may. What causes the almost dynamic background effects of some of the lenses on this site?


Oh and nice photos.


Grass and shrubs usually.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MartinCrabtree wrote:
If I may. What causes the almost dynamic background effects of some of the lenses on this site?


Please explain what you mean by "dynamic". Since you said "site" and not just this post, I suspect what you are talking about is the characteristic of the lens. Meyer has several lenses with art-like bokeh.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodrim wrote:
MartinCrabtree wrote:
If I may. What causes the almost dynamic background effects of some of the lenses on this site?


Please explain what you mean by "dynamic". Meyer has several lenses with art-like bokeh.


That's it. The bokeh is almost alive to me. What is it in the lens' design that creates that ability? And it's not restricted to background either. The image of the white flowers foreground contains a bit of that effect.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Such a beautiful shoots!


PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MartinCrabtree wrote:
woodrim wrote:
MartinCrabtree wrote:
If I may. What causes the almost dynamic background effects of some of the lenses on this site?


Please explain what you mean by "dynamic". Meyer has several lenses with art-like bokeh.


That's it. The bokeh is almost alive to me. What is it in the lens' design that creates that ability? And it's not restricted to background either. The image of the white flowers foreground contains a bit of that effect.


Probably just the beautiful flaws in Meyer lenses.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, this is a typical love/hate lens with love/hate drawing that everyone has strong and clear opinion about (usually it attracts people but not all).

However the butterfly photos is nothing out of ordinary, 14 days later I'll be shooting fresh morning Southern Festoon butterflies where I might be able to experiment more on a prettier young butterflies to achieve some progress this year (which could be kind of hard after last years' results Very Happy )

Also the distance with the extra ring is right on the edge, one step forward and Trioplan optics quality would just not be capable of adequate sharpness and also nice OOF drawing might be lost. So, as for me, the photo literally shouts one more step and you'll snap total crap. (Or to crop images less, if possible.)

I put also Telemegor out of my bag but it sucked hard this time, either the new more collectors-like copy is worst that the last year's one or f/5.5 was just too much this time no matter on Telemegor copy used. Various Telemegors may be even better for this type of photos, but generally much harder to achieve so I prefer Trioplan most of the time. That's pretty much explanating why on earth it costs twice as much as average salary in Bulgaria these days.

For those who joined forums recently, Telemegor draws butterflies eg. this way. (Why is this forum enlarging all 900x600 and smaller photos anyway?)



PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yesterday I practiced with one small old extension ring I accidentally bought with the lens itself. Funny - so I realized how stupid I was last year.

I like its results with or without ring, spring, autumn, light, dark, rain, sun... Just very practical lens in the grass, unlike some other Meyers.

Now I do have a clear inspiration how to improve the butterfly photos Very Happy



PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think bokeh achieved in OOF areas behind those butterflies pretty much speaks for itself why does it currently cost so much on Ebay Smile

Of course bokeh is somewhat "rougher" and not exactly what used to be with one more decent M42 extension ring, but it has a good impact on butterfly detail, however, on the first pic presented on a half-dead worn animal Smile







PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just can't put this damn lens off





PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MartinCrabtree wrote:
If I may. What causes the almost dynamic background effects of some of the lenses on this site?

MartinCrabtree wrote:
..
That's it. The bokeh is almost alive to me. What is it in the lens' design that creates that ability? And it's not restricted to background either. The image of the white flowers foreground contains a bit of that effect.


Over corrected spherical aberration is the reason for the enhanced background structures, and smooth foreground.
I thinl the Trioplan 100 is the king for this kind of aberration. The Trioplan 100 is the most well known lens for this, and that lenses even attracts "AF only" photographers to try manual focus. Some old lenses have this effect, but only two current Defocus Control Nikkors seem to be reliable giving such an "effect" when used with right settings.


PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote





Trioplan draws something interesting not only in a number of occassions as Telemegor 180 but every single time when I put the lens on. I am only keeping the #1 photo though, second one is somehow poinsonous and unpleasant to my eyes Mad


PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some new stuff.







PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trioplan 100 still loyal to me in my bag: