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Heliar 12mm f5.6 FF
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:02 pm    Post subject: Heliar 12mm f5.6 FF Reply with quote
Hello,
Here are some snaps from the Heliar 12mm f5.6 on a Sony A7
the lens is the L39 version. This was a quick "morning" walk .the lens performs better on the A7 then on the nex 5
with witch I also tested-ed. The lens need a bit of getting used to but its a fun lens.




















Cheers

Last edited by arhi_tectu1 on Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:25 pm; edited 1 time in total


PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
#7 looks excellent!


PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Looks very good! Is this Munich?


PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Quite good results and the corner colour shift seems more than acceptable.


PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lovely images! 12mm is W-I-D-E on ff Surprised


PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
@Klaus , yes this is in Munich.

To be honest , after all the tests I saw around the web I expected bad results from this lens ,
It turns out it really ok it just needs a bit more attention Smile
One nice thing about it is that you just put the lens at F8 focus at 1m and there you go all is in focus

Cheers


PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I like them too, congrats!


PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Very nice! Very Happy

Did you use corner fix? Surprised


PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nope , no corner fix just WB and sharpness

Cheers


PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
great super wide series !


PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Quite good results and the corner colour shift seems more than acceptable.


arhi_tectu1, I love the last one!

The 15mm f/4.5 Heliar works fine on my a7R too.
It is far better than both my ZM Biogons.
(I have the L39 version)



PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Quite good results and the corner colour shift seems more than acceptable.


+1


PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nikos wrote:
Orio wrote:
Quite good results and the corner colour shift seems more than acceptable.


arhi_tectu1, I love the last one!

The 15mm f/4.5 Heliar works fine on my a7R too.
It is far better than both my ZM Biogons.
(I have the L39


Do You see any corner smearing Nikos?


PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nordentro wrote:
Nikos wrote:
Orio wrote:
Quite good results and the corner colour shift seems more than acceptable.


arhi_tectu1, I love the last one!

The 15mm f/4.5 Heliar works fine on my a7R too.
It is far better than both my ZM Biogons.
(I have the L39


Do You see any corner smearing Nikos?


Quality drops towards the frame corner, but there is no smearing.
We have to keep in mind this is a15mm lens.
This lens is crazy sharp along the 3/4 of the frame.
This means I can crop a few MP away, and be left with a 18mm equivalent around 24MP.
One issue is caused by the adapter. The built-in hood is not aligned correctly, and causes some vignetting in one (or more?) of the corners.

This lens is a bargain at this price point.
On the a7R it performs better than on the NEX-5N, I think.

See for yourself.
This was taken at f/8.
(in-camera JPEG with the shadows opened-up a bit to correct vignetting)

Whole image, marked with the 100% crops that follow




100% crop - left edge


100% crop, center


100%crop, right edge


PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
here , have some more widenesss Wink
some shots from Eibesee and Zugspitze .
this is just a preview , there's more to come.







PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Soooo refreshing after the ugly samples I posted...
Seems you had fine weather in the mountain. I'm envy Evil or Very Mad


PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
thanks for the kind words Nikos,
It was a fine day indeed . to bad that there is not that much
snow in the valley below , anyway these is a really beautiful place
to be .

Cheers


PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
arhi_tectu1 wrote:

To be honest , after all the tests I saw around the web I expected bad results from this lens ,
It turns out it really ok it just needs a bit more attention Smile


You can find so much nonsense in those "tests" on the internet. You never know before you have tried for yourself!

Amazing shots!


PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nikos wrote:

The 15mm f/4.5 Heliar works fine on my a7R too.
It is far better than both my ZM Biogons.
(I have the L39 version)



Wow! Nikos, I am seriously impressed by the quality you achieve with that combo.
Look at what my CV Heliar 4.5/15 produced on a Sony A7R:



That colour shift is too extreme to call it usable! Shocked

I also have the M39-version and it works flawlessly on the NEX-6 and the Fuj X-E1 as well as on the Leica M8!!
So, the lens is absolutely fine!


PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
corner issues aside, what i find almost physically not possible is shooting 12-15mm FF and having no apparent distortion. i get distortion from my zeiss 35mm. how is this possible?


PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
rbelyell wrote:
corner issues aside, what i find almost physically not possible is shooting 12-15mm FF and having no apparent distortion. i get distortion from my zeiss 35mm. how is this possible?


Those are rangefinder lenses and thus do not need to clear any mirror movement. Lenses like these can be designed almost symmetrically which prevents distortion. Ask Orio to show you some shots with the Orion-15 6/28, an almost completely symmetrical lens without any distortion whatsoever, or even more so the Hologon 15!!


PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nikos wrote:
Nordentro wrote:
Nikos wrote:
Orio wrote:
Quite good results and the corner colour shift seems more than acceptable.


arhi_tectu1, I love the last one!

The 15mm f/4.5 Heliar works fine on my a7R too.
It is far better than both my ZM Biogons.
(I have the L39


Do You see any corner smearing Nikos?


Quality drops towards the frame corner, but there is no smearing.
We have to keep in mind this is a15mm lens.
This lens is crazy sharp along the 3/4 of the frame.
This means I can crop a few MP away, and be left with a 18mm equivalent around 24MP.
One issue is caused by the adapter. The built-in hood is not aligned correctly, and causes some vignetting in one (or more?) of the corners.

This lens is a bargain at this price point.
On the a7R it performs better than on the NEX-5N, I think.

See for yourself.
This was taken at f/8.
(in-camera JPEG with the shadows opened-up a bit to correct vignetting)


Thank you Nikos for a nice and honest review. I really like those small CV lenses and some of them are really good, but I'll probably go for a SLR type super wide to get the most out of the IQ on A7R Wink


PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nordentro wrote:
... but I'll probably go for a SLR type super wide to get the most out of the IQ on A7R Wink


BTW, this is the same view, shot with a Samyang 2.8/14 on the A7R:


No PP! The difference in the corners is striking!

I might sell my Samyang 2.8/14 (PK) soon. Well, as soon as the Samyang 2.8/10 (for APS) with FujiX-mount is available.
Perhaps you are interested? It's absolutely mint and works flawlessly!
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