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 Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:47 pm Post subject: 31 different lenses on a Leica M9 - oof rendering |
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Hari wrote:
Hi all, found an interesting link - thought some of you might find it useful
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/threads/666762-50mm-RF-lenses-Shot-Wide-Open-using-M9
31 lenses were used on the Leica M9 to show the oof rendering
1) Leica 50mm ASPH f0.95 - 0.95, 1.4, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
2) Canon 50mm f0.95 TV lens - 0.95, 1.4, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
3) Leica 50mm f1.0 E58 pre-ASPH V2 - 1.0, 1.4, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
4) Leica 50mm f1.0 E60 pre-ASPH V3 - 1.0, 1.4, 2. 2.8, 4. 5.6
5) VC 50mm f1.1 Nokton - 1.1, 1.4, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
6) Fujinon 50mm f1.2 - 1.2, 1.4, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
7) Canon 50mm f1.2 LTM - 1.2, 1.4, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
 Leica 50mm f1.4 Summilux pre-ASPH E43 V2 - 1.4, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
9) Leica 50mm f1.4 Summilux pre-ASPH E46 V1 - 1.4, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
10) Leica 50mm f1.4 Summilux ASPH E46 - 1.4, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
11) Jupiter 3 50mm f1.5 (s/n N5901762) - 1.5, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
12) ) Jupiter 3 50mm f1.5 (s/n N700912) - 1.5, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
13) Carl Zeiss Jena 50mm f1.5 (s/n 2859623) - 1.5, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
14) Carl Zeiss Jena 50mm f1.5 (s/n 2726198) - 1.5, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
15) Canon 50mm f1.5 (s/n 26190) - 1.5, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
16) Zeiss Opton 50mm f1.5 - 1.5, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
17) Canon 50mm f1.5 LTM (s/n 24456) - 1.5, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
1 Topcor 50mm f1.5 LTM - 1.5, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
19) Leica Summarit 50mm f1.5 LTM (s/n 1432227) - 1.5, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
20) Leica Summarit 50mm f1.5 LTM (s/n 1025100) - 1.5, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
21) Tanar 50mm f1.5 LTM - 1.5, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
22) Super Rokkor 50mm f2 LTM - 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
23) Leica Rigid Summicron 50mm f2 V1a - 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
24) Leica Rigid Summicron 50mm f2 V1b - 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
24) Topcor 50mm f2 LTM - 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
25) Leica Rigid Summicron 50mm f2 V3 - 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
26) Leica Summitar Collapsible 50mm f2 LTM - 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
27) Leica Summar Collapsible 50mm f2 LTM - 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
2 Konica Hexanon 50mm f2.4 LTM - 2.4, 2.8, 4, 5.6
29) Leica Elmar 50mm f2.8 V1 - 2.8, 4, 5.6
30) Leica Elmar 50mm f2.8 V2 - 2.8, 4, 5.6
31) Jupiter 8 50mm f2 LTM - 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6
The lenses were tested in the above sequence with all different aperture settings up to f5.6. Kindly take note that due to variant in the condition of our lens copies, this little test does NOT represent the final verdict of each lens.
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Orio wrote:
Thanks for the link, very nice reading
The Nokton f/1.1 seems to me the best compromise between bokeh, sharpness and CA control. It is one lens worth thinking about, it also has a nice price.
Too bad the new Z Sonnar 1.5 wasn't in there.
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berraneck wrote:
thanks for link, hari
I see that reasonably priced Nokton is really good performer compared to ultra-expensive Leica glass
the conclusion for me is simple - there isn´t as big difference in IQ as in price:) but that is as always
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aleksanderpolo wrote:
Thanks for the link, bookmarked, save me thousands of dollars 
The Summilux ASPH is great, as expected.
The two Summicron rigid's difference is significant (probably due to different amount of haze)
And v3's drawing is very Zeiss-like, don't you think?
O, and I wonder if there is a similar shootout for 35mm 
Edit: Found it:
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/threads/800703-Share-some-of-the-35mm-Lens-Bokeh-Comparision-Shots
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Orio wrote:
| berraneck wrote: |
I see that reasonably priced Nokton is really good performer compared to ultra-expensive Leica glass |
It indeed is.
True, the new Noctilux 0.95 has the smoothest bokeh (for the fans of that - which does not necessarily cover the whole of us)
but the older Noctiluxes don't, and most importantly,
the Nokton highlights are almost free of green fringing, while there's a festival of that in the Noctiluxes' highlights.
This may not be a concern in controlled lighting situations, but since one assumes that such a super fast lens gets used often in the night
and amongst artificial lights, green fringing of highlights might not remain a secondary issue as it would be in a daylight lens.
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dude163 wrote:
nice find, I'd actually looked at that while researching about getting a Leica or not  so many lenses!
I think the winner in that shootout is the M9
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Hari
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Hari wrote:
You're welcome guys!
Actually, one of the things i love about the Nokton over the Noctilux is the very short focus throw - half a twist and from infinity you're in perfect focus from 1m over the full range and back to infinity!
I find this lens really nice for quick shots
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nixland wrote:
Thanks for sharing... great post!
Woww ... the Fujinon 50/1.2 has super smooth bokeh ...
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Esox lucius wrote:
Someone spent a great deal of time and unusual for this type of post he/she actually came up with data good for conclusions. Very nice post!
Choice of subject is also very convenient. I was expecting though that the level of whisky in the bottle would diminish but surprisingly stayed the same throughout the test |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Thanks, Hari, for that link!
| Orio wrote: |
Thanks for the link, very nice reading
The Nokton f/1.1 seems to me the best compromise between bokeh, sharpness and CA control. It is one lens worth thinking about, it also has a nice price.
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Well, I don't know. I have shot with one at the Photokina this year, on my M8, and I was not really impressed.
It is extremely difficult to focus wide open and shows several heavy aberrations at f/1.1.
For a rangefinder I would prefer an f/1.4 or f/1.8 lens. A nice and still compact and affordable 1.8/50 would be fantastic. But such a lens does not exist.
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Orio wrote:
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For a rangefinder I would prefer an f/1.4 or f/1.8 lens. A nice and still compact and affordable 1.8/50 would be fantastic. But such a lens does not exist. |
Yes, Helios 103. I'm awaiting mine
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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nixland wrote:
| Esox lucius wrote: |
Someone spent a great deal of time and unusual for this type of post he/she actually came up with data good for conclusions. Very nice post!
Choice of subject is also very convenient. I was expecting though that the level of whisky in the bottle would diminish but surprisingly stayed the same throughout the test |
Don't get it wrong Esox ... he refilled the bottle before each shot ... hahaha
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LucisPictor wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
| LucisPictor wrote: |
For a rangefinder I would prefer an f/1.4 or f/1.8 lens. A nice and still compact and affordable 1.8/50 would be fantastic. But such a lens does not exist. |
Yes, Helios 103. I'm awaiting mine |
Doesn't that only come in Contax mount?
Then you would need the adapter which is really expensive.
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LucisPictor wrote:
BTW, I think that that Jupiter-8 shot was misfocussed.
The J8 is better wide open than this!
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kuuan wrote:
| LucisPictor wrote: |
| Orio wrote: |
| LucisPictor wrote: |
For a rangefinder I would prefer an f/1.4 or f/1.8 lens. A nice and still compact and affordable 1.8/50 would be fantastic. But such a lens does not exist. |
Yes, Helios 103. I'm awaiting mine |
Doesn't that only come in Contax mount?
Then you would need the adapter which is really expensive. |
selfmade using a broken Kiev as donor will come for under 50.- but it might not be very practical
how about Canon f1.8/50 LTM, great performer and according to ebay completed in the US sold for +/- 100 usd.
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fermy wrote:
Well, maybe in US it's possible to get Canon 1.8/50 LTM under $100. In Germany one went for about 300 Euros just yesterday
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