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rpo83
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 Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:44 am Post subject: Leica M on R body, why make an adapter if it doesn't work!! |
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rpo83 wrote:
I recently bought a Leica 6 Bit Elmarit-M 28/2.8 ASPH to use on my modified Sigma SD14 with Leica R mount. I purchased a Leica 14167 R - M adapter and fitted them up, i get nothing but a totally out of focus viewfinder!
Why does this adapter from Leica exist if the lenses registration distances vary so much.
In a way i am grateful that it didn't work because i was starting to covet an M9..
Do any of the M lenses work on R bodies?
Here are a couple of pics of the lens mounted on the body.
Taken with Pancolar 80/1.8
Taken with SMC Tak 50/1.4
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calvin83
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 5:30 am Post subject: Re: Leica M on R body, why make an adapter if it doesn't wor |
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calvin83 wrote:
The Leica 14167 R - M adapter is designed for adapting Visoflex M lens to Leicaflex SL and R cameras.
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rpo83
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 5:48 am Post subject: |
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rpo83 wrote:
Hi Calvin,
Thanks for the reply. My body is essentially an R body (in regards to registration distance), and from what i believe all M lenses are the same in regards to registration distance, so any old rangefinder lenses will work on a current M9.
Or do i have this all wrong? Is there another adapter that would allow the M to work on my body??
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Sigma SD10, Sigma SD14, Sigma SD14R, Sigma DP1s
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Elmarit R 1:2.8/16mm, Elmarit R 1:2.8/28mm, Macro Elmarit R 1:2.8/60mm, Macro Elmar R 1:4/100 Bellows, APO Telyt R 1:3.4/180mm, Telyt R 1 :4/250mm, Vario Elmar R 1:4/35-70mm ROM, Vario Elmar R 1:4.5/75-200 Novoflex... Noflexar 1:38/200mm
M42... Carl Zeiss... Pancolar 1:1.8/80, Asahi Pentax... Super Takumar 1:3.5/35mm, S-M-C Takumar 1:1.4/50mm, Jupiter... 1:2/85mm, Pentacon... 1:2.8/135mm MC,
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exaklaus
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:33 am Post subject: |
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exaklaus wrote:
Leica R (and your modified SD14, too) has a 47mm and Leica M has a 27,8mm registration. There is absolutly no way to use M lenses on R-Bodies, except for extreme close-up photography.
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calvin83
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:33 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
| rpo83 wrote: |
Hi Calvin,
Thanks for the reply. My body is essentially an R body (in regards to registration distance), and from what i believe all M lenses are the same in regards to registration distance, so any old rangefinder lenses will work on a current M9.
Or do i have this all wrong? Is there another adapter that would allow the M to work on my body?? |
Old Lecia m39 rangefinder lens will work on Lecia M camera since the register distance of M mount is shorter than m39. The register distance of R mount is much longer than the M mount so it is not possible to reach infinity with such adaptation.
Some early lenses has a removable lens head could be adapted to Visoflex mount by a special focusing tube. However, there is no hope for any M mount lens with "-M" in their name.
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rpo83
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:06 am Post subject: |
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rpo83 wrote:
So why does the adapter exist?? !!!
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Steve
Sigma SD10, Sigma SD14, Sigma SD14R, Sigma DP1s
Leica Lenses
Elmarit R 1:2.8/16mm, Elmarit R 1:2.8/28mm, Macro Elmarit R 1:2.8/60mm, Macro Elmar R 1:4/100 Bellows, APO Telyt R 1:3.4/180mm, Telyt R 1 :4/250mm, Vario Elmar R 1:4/35-70mm ROM, Vario Elmar R 1:4.5/75-200 Novoflex... Noflexar 1:38/200mm
M42... Carl Zeiss... Pancolar 1:1.8/80, Asahi Pentax... Super Takumar 1:3.5/35mm, S-M-C Takumar 1:1.4/50mm, Jupiter... 1:2/85mm, Pentacon... 1:2.8/135mm MC,
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CarbonR
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:45 am Post subject: Re: Leica M on R body, why make an adapter if it doesn't wor |
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CarbonR wrote:
| calvin83 wrote: |
| The Leica 14167 R - M adapter is designed for adapting Visoflex M lens to Leicaflex SL and R cameras. |
Calvin already gave you the answer 
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Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
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rpo83
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:23 am Post subject: |
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rpo83 wrote:
Hmm,
when you are not conversant with the old Leitz stuff, it gets a little confusing 
Looks like they will be up for sale then!
Thanks Guys.
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Sigma SD10, Sigma SD14, Sigma SD14R, Sigma DP1s
Leica Lenses
Elmarit R 1:2.8/16mm, Elmarit R 1:2.8/28mm, Macro Elmarit R 1:2.8/60mm, Macro Elmar R 1:4/100 Bellows, APO Telyt R 1:3.4/180mm, Telyt R 1 :4/250mm, Vario Elmar R 1:4/35-70mm ROM, Vario Elmar R 1:4.5/75-200 Novoflex... Noflexar 1:38/200mm
M42... Carl Zeiss... Pancolar 1:1.8/80, Asahi Pentax... Super Takumar 1:3.5/35mm, S-M-C Takumar 1:1.4/50mm, Jupiter... 1:2/85mm, Pentacon... 1:2.8/135mm MC,
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CarbonR
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:38 am Post subject: |
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CarbonR wrote:
If I'm right, the visoflex system is a kind of reflex system to use on leicas, that sits between a special lens (to get the needed register distance) and your leica body, and that allows to see trough the lens, as you would do with a SLR
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I am selling : Takumar lenses and rare Pentax bodies, pm me if you're interested in something [MFLenses feed-back]
Information on Takumar lenses with samples :
Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
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indianadinos
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:09 am Post subject: |
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indianadinos wrote:
Yes, as CarbonR said, the old Leitz Visoflex lenses have a big register distance (68.8mm, vs the 27.8mm of your M lens), that's why your adapter is so deep and why you are not able to focus ...
Time to start a fight for a Visoflex lens ?
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