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Tokyo Kogaku RE, Auto-Topcor 100/2.8
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've found this Exakta to Canon EOS adapter :
Click here to see on Ebay

Note - i have no experience with Canon....

another note: some say Exakta/Topcon will fit Exakta but Exakta will not fit Exakta/Topcon
again... i can't verify and/or have any proof of that....


PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HI Woodrim,

Nice shots! I have this lens and haven't really ever put it through its paces - now I guess I have to!

You are correct that Topcon was used by military personnel. The US Navy purchased a number of them for use in the 60s, and probably the 70s as well. In the US Topcons were distributed for a while by the Charles Besler company (as in Besler enlargers, etc.), and were marked Besler Topcons. They were always quite high priced. I believe it was the Topcon RE Super AKA the Super D that was the first SLR with an internal (built into the mirror) light meter. The last, best model was the Super DM that had a motor drive assembly. Very high class cameras - but they were crippled with the narrow throated Exacta lens mount which severly limited lens design.

The internal diaphragm in the RE Auto Topcors, like your 100 /f 2.8, have linkages which stick out the back and will very often interfere with Exacta -> Canon EOS adapters. I had to very carefully shave off the tiniest bit of the aperture linkage on the back of the lens to get it to work for me. Also you need to get the correct kind of adapter that has clearance channels for all the Topcon linkages. I'll post photos tomorrow of the type I use.

All the best,

Paul


PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are the photos I promised.

The first is of the EXActa/Topcon -> EOS adapter I use. Note how it has a cutout at 10 o'clock to 1 o'clock near the outer edge. It also has an annular grove closer to the center. Both of these features should be present in the adapter for it to work with Topcon lenses.

The second photo shows the back end of an RE, Auto Topcor lens, in this case, the 35mm f/2.8. In order to allow the aperture to work freely when mounted on the Exacta adapter, I had to remove a tiny bit of metal from the top of pin 1 in the photo.

Works fine now when mounted to the Canon.

I apologize if I have hijacked the post - Your photos are really amazing!

Best,

Paul





PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woodrim, looks like a great lens and you used to great effect! Very nice work. Never sell it- except to me!
Wink


PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mir wrote:
I've found this Exakta to Canon EOS adapter :
Click here to see on Ebay

Note - i have no experience with Canon....

another note: some say Exakta/Topcon will fit Exakta but Exakta will not fit Exakta/Topcon
again... i can't verify and/or have any proof of that....


Thank you to all for the comments. I found Mir's comment interesting and I do remember reading this once before, but do not remember any details. I have an Exakta/Topcon adapter for NEX, but it doesn't catch the pins that lock it in place. The Topcor lenses come up just short, but I have another lens with Exakta mount that stops nearly 2mm short of the catch. Anyone else have this issue? Maybe just a bad adapter?


PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, very good sharpness and color rendition.


PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More from this wonderful lens...















And this one is a merge of 18 images. Lots of effort without much more than just good resolution...


PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like you two are getting along well. Smile


PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great pics from a great lens & photographer.

To I have several Exakta to EOS adapters. Some work with Topcon RE's and some don't - it depends if they have the appropriate cut-outs for the auto aperture/meter linkages on the Topcons. Also NONE of these adapters clear the mirror on a 5D Mark II. If you have a crop body Canon - no problem.

I purchased one these Topcon to M42 coverter kits: Click here to see on Ebay , but even with the rear light shade removed, it still interferes with the mirror travel on the 5D MII.

By the way, I just got my copy of the 100 f/2.8 back from Marc (had a sluggish and oily diaphragm as well as a gummed up helical). He does superb work!

Best,

Paul


PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

amazing shots!


PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pdccameras wrote:
Great pics from a great lens & photographer.

To I have several Exakta to EOS adapters. Some work with Topcon RE's and some don't - it depends if they have the appropriate cut-outs for the auto aperture/meter linkages on the Topcons. Also NONE of these adapters clear the mirror on a 5D Mark II. If you have a crop body Canon - no problem.

I purchased one these Topcon to M42 coverter kits: Click here to see on Ebay , but even with the rear light shade removed, it still interferes with the mirror travel on the 5D MII.

By the way, I just got my copy of the 100 f/2.8 back from Marc (had a sluggish and oily diaphragm as well as a gummed up helical). He does superb work!

Best,

Paul

Marc just finished with my Topcor 85/1.8 so I'll be receiving it soon, great to deal with.


PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Lightshow"Marc just finished with my Topcor 85/1.8 so I'll be receiving it soon, great to deal with.[/quote]

He's sending it to YOU? I'll have to speak with him again.


PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As for the post some years ago about Topcon prices, it was worse than that. Charles Beseler used the US "Fair Trade" laws to force all Topcon dealers to sell at list price. So you didn't get any discount on Topcon, where you did on Nikon, Canon, Pentax, and Minolta.

From having disassembled both, the Pentax lenses were easier and cheaper to manufacture. This was a matter of clever design, especially on the Pentax-M and Pentax-A lenses. Also much easier to do infinity collimation. (This is all aside from the cost of the optical components.) So Topcon really had a competitive cost problem.


PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using the Exakta mount also made lens design harder than it needed to be, the small opening restricted lens design and forced the front elements to become relatively large.


PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mir wrote:
I've found this Exakta to Canon EOS adapter :
Click here to see on Ebay

Note - i have no experience with Canon....

another note: some say Exakta/Topcon will fit Exakta but Exakta will not fit Exakta/Topcon
again... i can't verify and/or have any proof of that....

I do know that RE lenses will not fit on the older R bodies.


PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I somehow missed Woodrims most recent shots with this, fantastic. This might belong in here, I found it on the net. From a camera lens 35 review I think...for anyone interested in resolution tests.



PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for sharing that.

I can vouch for the 100/2.8 as I have one Wink
This lens is really a superb piece of optical engineering.


PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The earlier RE. Auto-Topcor lenses will fit on the Topcon R bodies. They are the ones with the "kidney shaped" rebate milled on the back of the lens, near the locking pin. That was done to clear the locking lever on the R bodies. Later they abandoned that.


PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Macca wrote:
I somehow missed Woodrims most recent shots with this, fantastic. This might belong in here, I found it on the net. From a camera lens 35 review I think...for anyone interested in resolution tests.



I cannot more than agree, the f2.8/100mm is a tack sharp lens already wide open!

See: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/sets/72157634364279546/

Aside from that, has a quite pleasant bokeh and wonderful color rendition.





PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two gorgeous shots Klaus, there`s something "extra" popwise in the colour rendition in this one compared to the other Topcors, not that they are in any way dull.

It does a nice portrait too ( as it should!!), my humbler efforts..





PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Macca wrote:
It does a nice portrait too ( as it should!!), my humbler efforts..


The last one is lovely!


PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klaus: You got some nice pop. Topcor loves blue.

Macca: Lovely little girl; your daughter? I took plenty of picture when my children were little, but I so wish I had today's digital equipment. I hope I have grandchildren to do it all over again.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woodrim, thanks that is my girl. She gets more practice with new lenses than most other subjects!