textures : film vs digital - with samples

[poilu]

I believe that negative record more details than digital
most think that negative details is just noise
I show you a fuji 200 asa negative with little grain

film vs digital (tessar 45mm on film vs distagon 28mm on digital)
1 euro fuji negative 200 asa - 100 asa digital 40D


compare full frame film border vs crop digital

[Nesster]

Reminds me of some of the analog vs. digital discussions in audio... I think we can see/hear into the analog noise below the 'noise floor', whereas with digital there are hard cut-offs in both directions. In fact both with digital audio and photography they add dither or small noise in order to extend the apparent range.

My experience has been that with digital it's easier to get to a damn good level, but when everything goes right with film that's even better. But so many things can go wrong along the way with film...

I think you illustrate this pretty well ... um not in the 'go wrong' direction either
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[LucisPictor]

Have you applied sharpening in the digital shot?
If no, you might be able to work out more details.
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[Orio]

In this comparison, digital has two handicaps:

1) the AA filter (which needs to be compensated by some sharpening)

2) the smaller format (full frame against APS-C

I think that comparing film with a 5D with some sharpnening applied, would give closer results.
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[poilu]

[patrickh]

poilu

Very thought-provoking. Even though it is extremely unlikely that I will pay out the necessary extra for a film capability, your samples do make one stop and consider...


patrickh
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[Orio]

Well, I think that in the end, it is not so important who's got the edge on detail, don't you think?

I use both digital and the film, and I love them both. And I'll keep using both
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[poilu]

[Orio]

hehe... you're a smart orator

Yes, in this shot of course you are right... but you should also say, it's overexposed

But would you repeat the same judgement in front of this image?
http://www.oriofoto.net/temp/disty.jpg

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[poilu]

[no-X]

[Carlsson]

[LucisPictor]

[estudleon]

I like more Digital images in the B&W word.

As I can see in my monitor, the digital images have not the feel in texture like the film ones have. And this sensation increased to me in the color pics. I prefer B&W digital image over the color ones.

Rino.
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