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maddog10
Joined: 08 Apr 2008
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 Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: Testing Opinions |
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As I have a lot of lenses that I have yet to shoot with, I was wondering what your opinion of a good all around test for a lens would be. I would like to come up with a some kind of 'standard' that I could use when I attach a new lens. I would like for it to be a combination 'real life' and 'bench' shooting.
I would think it should include architecture, landscape, close focus/macro and studio shots. What about the aperture, should it be tested at all stops or just wide open, middle and fully closed. Should shots using flash be included or just available light.
Do you have any suggestions or ideas. What would you do if making this test.
I am looking to evaluate my equipment (and sharpen my skills).
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Michael Hill
DSLR: Nikon - D3, D80, D40 Canon- 5D
Film: Nikon - F5, F2, F, EM, FG, FE, Nikkorex Contax - G2 Mamiya - M645 Olympus - OM1 Praktika - LTL PLC3 Pentax - Spotmatic SP Yashica Electro 35 GSN Zenit - B
Nikon Mount Lens: Nikkor - 2.8/20 2.8/24 2/28 2.8/28 3.5/28 2/35 2.8/35 1.4/50 1.8/50 2/50 1.8/85 2/85 2.5/105 2.8/135 3.5/135 2.8/180 4/200 4.5/300 Micro 2.8/55 Micro 4/200 Zoom 3.5/36-72 3.5/43-86 4/70-210 Sigma - Zoom 2.8-4/35-70 Soligor - 3.5-4.5/28-80 4.5/80-200 5.6/95-310 Tamron - SP 2.8-3.8/35-80 SP 3.5/70-210 3.8-4/80-210 Vivitar - 3.8/19 2.8/28 (Series 1) 3.5-4.5/19-35 (Kiron) 3.5/70-210 Zenitar - 2.8/16
Contax Mount Lens: Carl Zeiss - Biogon 2.8/21 Biogon 2.8/28 Planar 2/45 Sonnar 2.8/90 Yashica - 4.5/70-210
M42 Screw Mount Lens: CZJ - Flek 2.8/20 Flek 2.4/35 Tessar 2.8/50 3.5/135 Focal - 2.8/28 Helios - 44-2 2/58 44M 2/58 44M-4 2/58 40 1.5/85 Industar - 50-2 3.5/50 Jupiter - 37A 3.5/135 Meyer Optik Gorlitz - Domiplan 2.8/50 MIR - 24M 2/35 1B 2.8/37 Pentacon - 2.8/29 1.8/50 2.8/135 Pentax - SMC 3.5/135 SMC 4/200 SMC 5.6/400 Rexatar - 6.3/400 Rokinon - 3.5-4.5/35-135 Sears - 2.8/28 2.8/135 4.5/90-230 Soligor - 2.8/105 3.5-4.5/28-80 |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 13287
Location: Budapest,Hungary
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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My method is next:
1) Nice subject (not bookshelf, neighbour roof etc.)
for portrait lens portrait
for wide angle lens architeture or landscape etc.
2) three aperture set if possible
a) wide open
b) stoped down
c) f5.6 or above
Provide at least 5-6 Mpx image to see resolution , not just crop from one part.
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Olympus E-1,Nikon FA,Pentax MX,Praktica VLC3,Olympus-OM2N,Yashica Eletro 35 GN,Exakta Varex IIb,
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Carl Zeiss Jena:Flektogon 2.8/20mm,4/25mm,2.4/35,2.8/65mm,4.5/4cm Tessar
Pancolar 1.4/55mm,1.8/50mm,1.8/80mm,Tessar 2.8/50mm,Biotar 2/58mm,1.5/75mm,1.5/7,5cm
Carl Zeiss: Sonnar 2.8/135,2.8/180mm,Tessar 4/135mm
Nikon: 3.5/20mm,2.8/28mm,1.4/35mm,1.4/50mm,1.2/50mm,2/50mm,1.8/105mm,2.5/105mm,2.8/180mm,4/200mm macro,4.5/300mm
Pentax: Pentax 1.2/50mm,1.8/85mm,4/200mm
Helios: Helios-40 1.5/8,5cm,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm
Olympus OM: 3.5/18mm,3.5/21mm,1.4/50mm,3.5/55mm macro,2.8/135mm,2/90mm macro,35-70mm,60-250mm
Meyer: 4.5/35mm Primagon,Primoplan 1.9/58mm,1.9/75mm,2.8/100mm,Orestegor 2.8/135mm,4.5/40 Helioplan
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Katastrofo
Joined: 26 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Attila,
By stopped-down, isn't f5.6 and above, stopped-down? Or are you talking
about one stop from wide open?
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
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Location: Budapest,Hungary
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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I am talking stoped down from wide open or f5.6.
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Olympus E-1,Nikon FA,Pentax MX,Praktica VLC3,Olympus-OM2N,Yashica Eletro 35 GN,Exakta Varex IIb,
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Carl Zeiss Jena:Flektogon 2.8/20mm,4/25mm,2.4/35,2.8/65mm,4.5/4cm Tessar
Pancolar 1.4/55mm,1.8/50mm,1.8/80mm,Tessar 2.8/50mm,Biotar 2/58mm,1.5/75mm,1.5/7,5cm
Carl Zeiss: Sonnar 2.8/135,2.8/180mm,Tessar 4/135mm
Nikon: 3.5/20mm,2.8/28mm,1.4/35mm,1.4/50mm,1.2/50mm,2/50mm,1.8/105mm,2.5/105mm,2.8/180mm,4/200mm macro,4.5/300mm
Pentax: Pentax 1.2/50mm,1.8/85mm,4/200mm
Helios: Helios-40 1.5/8,5cm,Helios-44-1 2/58mm,Helios-44-2 2/58mm
Olympus OM: 3.5/18mm,3.5/21mm,1.4/50mm,3.5/55mm macro,2.8/135mm,2/90mm macro,35-70mm,60-250mm
Meyer: 4.5/35mm Primagon,Primoplan 1.9/58mm,1.9/75mm,2.8/100mm,Orestegor 2.8/135mm,4.5/40 Helioplan
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Katastrofo
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Attila wrote: | | I am talking stoped down from wide open or f5.6. |
OK, understand.  |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007
Posts: 6666
Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| Attila wrote: | My method is next:
1) Nice subject (not bookshelf, neighbour roof etc.)
for portrait lens portrait
for wide angle lens architeture or landscape etc.
2) three aperture set if possible
a) wide open
b) stoped down
c) f5.6 or above
Provide at least 5-6 Mpx image to see resolution , not just crop from one part. |
- I found my test set-up (camera on desktop, some stuff in the bg) quite useful to judge on sharpness and bokeh.
- Additionally, a landscape shot and a portrait would show a lot.
- I agree on the different apertures approach. My suggestion:
1) wide open
2) f2.8
3) f5.6
4) f8 or f11 (not more, because diffraction on the sensor side can reduce quality)
- Of course, it would be the optimum to test on a full frame cam, but if you only use a crop DSLR, there is no reason why you shouldn't test with it. (I do not have a 5D either, and tests with film cams also include the "scanner" aspect.)
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Cams in use: EOS 40D, EOS 350D, EOS500, Spotmatic SPII, Yashica-24, EXA I & 1c, Zenit EM; Oly 35RC,Minolta Hi-Matic E & F, Ricoh 500RF, Yashica Electro 35 GS, FED-3b and some others...
Lenses in use:
Asahi Pentax: 2.8/28;3.5/35;1.4/50;1.7/50;2.8/105;28-80
Canon (AF):1.8/50;17-85;75-300
Former GDR: Pentacon 3.5/30; Pentaflex 1.8/50; CZJ 2.8/50; CZJ 4/135; Pentacon 4/200
Fujinon: 43-75
Hanimex: 3.5/23; 4/100;80-200
Hoya: 25-42;80-205
Kiron: 2/28;70-210
Leica: Elmarit-R 2.8/35
Minolta: 1.7/50
Nikkor: 2.8/24;2/35;2/50;1.2/55;1.8/85;3.5/135
West German: Ludwig 2.9/50; Meyer 2.8/100; Will 4.5/105; Enna 3.5/135; Zeiss 4/135;Isco 4/135; Enna 4.5/240
Olympus: 3.5/28;1.4/50;3.5/135
Rikenon: 1.7/50;35-70
Rollei/Voigtländer: 1.4/55;1.8/50
Russian: Peleng3.5/8;Zenitar2.8/16;MIR2.8/37;Volna2.8/50;Industar3.5/50;Industar3.5/5cm;Helios2/50;Helios2/58;Volna2.8/80;Jupiter2/85;Kaleinar2.8/100;Tair2.8/135;Jupiter3.5/135;Jupiter4/135;Telear3.5/200;Jupiter4/200;Tair4.5/300;RF: Jupiter2.8/35;Industar2.8/53
Sigma: 28-85;28-105(AF);17-70(AF)
Soligor: 28-105;35-200;70-220
Tamron: 2.5/24;2.5/135;2.8/135;60-300;70-210
Tokina: 28-105;80-200;12-24(AF);70-210(AF);
Vivitar: 3.5/17;2/24;2/28;2.5/28;2.8/28
Yashica: 1.7/50;2/5cm
Other Japanese:Cosina3.8/20;Petri2.8/28;Albinar2.8/28;Porst1.8/35,2.8/135;Tomioka1.4/55;Weltblick3.5/135;Opticam2.8/135;Beroflex 8/500;Spiratone28-200;Maginon70-210
Green are the lenses I shoot the most.
More? http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=65
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maddog10
Joined: 08 Apr 2008
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Location: Maryland, USA
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 11:29 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the input guys!
I am starting to develop a plan (by stealing yours) 
Anyone else have some pointers/advice/theory?
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Michael Hill
DSLR: Nikon - D3, D80, D40 Canon- 5D
Film: Nikon - F5, F2, F, EM, FG, FE, Nikkorex Contax - G2 Mamiya - M645 Olympus - OM1 Praktika - LTL PLC3 Pentax - Spotmatic SP Yashica Electro 35 GSN Zenit - B
Nikon Mount Lens: Nikkor - 2.8/20 2.8/24 2/28 2.8/28 3.5/28 2/35 2.8/35 1.4/50 1.8/50 2/50 1.8/85 2/85 2.5/105 2.8/135 3.5/135 2.8/180 4/200 4.5/300 Micro 2.8/55 Micro 4/200 Zoom 3.5/36-72 3.5/43-86 4/70-210 Sigma - Zoom 2.8-4/35-70 Soligor - 3.5-4.5/28-80 4.5/80-200 5.6/95-310 Tamron - SP 2.8-3.8/35-80 SP 3.5/70-210 3.8-4/80-210 Vivitar - 3.8/19 2.8/28 (Series 1) 3.5-4.5/19-35 (Kiron) 3.5/70-210 Zenitar - 2.8/16
Contax Mount Lens: Carl Zeiss - Biogon 2.8/21 Biogon 2.8/28 Planar 2/45 Sonnar 2.8/90 Yashica - 4.5/70-210
M42 Screw Mount Lens: CZJ - Flek 2.8/20 Flek 2.4/35 Tessar 2.8/50 3.5/135 Focal - 2.8/28 Helios - 44-2 2/58 44M 2/58 44M-4 2/58 40 1.5/85 Industar - 50-2 3.5/50 Jupiter - 37A 3.5/135 Meyer Optik Gorlitz - Domiplan 2.8/50 MIR - 24M 2/35 1B 2.8/37 Pentacon - 2.8/29 1.8/50 2.8/135 Pentax - SMC 3.5/135 SMC 4/200 SMC 5.6/400 Rexatar - 6.3/400 Rokinon - 3.5-4.5/35-135 Sears - 2.8/28 2.8/135 4.5/90-230 Soligor - 2.8/105 3.5-4.5/28-80 |
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bob955i
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Anyone else have some pointers/advice/theory? |
Just one thing; since there's no such thing as the perfect lens, don't get too hung up on testing - establish each lens' strengths and weaknesses and once you've done that, take photographs with them that exploit those strengths.
Doing that will lessen any possible disappointment. |
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maddog10
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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That is exactly what i am trying to do Bob. i do not have the experience as some of the others and do not know what works well in certain situations. I want to test lenses through a wide range of situations and figure out where it fits with my other equipment. I also expect to get a few surprises, both good and bad, during this process.
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Michael Hill
DSLR: Nikon - D3, D80, D40 Canon- 5D
Film: Nikon - F5, F2, F, EM, FG, FE, Nikkorex Contax - G2 Mamiya - M645 Olympus - OM1 Praktika - LTL PLC3 Pentax - Spotmatic SP Yashica Electro 35 GSN Zenit - B
Nikon Mount Lens: Nikkor - 2.8/20 2.8/24 2/28 2.8/28 3.5/28 2/35 2.8/35 1.4/50 1.8/50 2/50 1.8/85 2/85 2.5/105 2.8/135 3.5/135 2.8/180 4/200 4.5/300 Micro 2.8/55 Micro 4/200 Zoom 3.5/36-72 3.5/43-86 4/70-210 Sigma - Zoom 2.8-4/35-70 Soligor - 3.5-4.5/28-80 4.5/80-200 5.6/95-310 Tamron - SP 2.8-3.8/35-80 SP 3.5/70-210 3.8-4/80-210 Vivitar - 3.8/19 2.8/28 (Series 1) 3.5-4.5/19-35 (Kiron) 3.5/70-210 Zenitar - 2.8/16
Contax Mount Lens: Carl Zeiss - Biogon 2.8/21 Biogon 2.8/28 Planar 2/45 Sonnar 2.8/90 Yashica - 4.5/70-210
M42 Screw Mount Lens: CZJ - Flek 2.8/20 Flek 2.4/35 Tessar 2.8/50 3.5/135 Focal - 2.8/28 Helios - 44-2 2/58 44M 2/58 44M-4 2/58 40 1.5/85 Industar - 50-2 3.5/50 Jupiter - 37A 3.5/135 Meyer Optik Gorlitz - Domiplan 2.8/50 MIR - 24M 2/35 1B 2.8/37 Pentacon - 2.8/29 1.8/50 2.8/135 Pentax - SMC 3.5/135 SMC 4/200 SMC 5.6/400 Rexatar - 6.3/400 Rokinon - 3.5-4.5/35-135 Sears - 2.8/28 2.8/135 4.5/90-230 Soligor - 2.8/105 3.5-4.5/28-80 |
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bob955i
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| That sounds reasonable Michael - my comments were based on what I've seen on some other forums where some individuals have gone too far with their testing and as a result have ended up thinking that their lenses are junk, or pretty close to that, when in fact the reverse is true. |
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