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Testing my 135mm lenses, fourteen of them !
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:41 pm    Post subject: Testing my 135mm lenses, fourteen of them ! Reply with quote

I like 135's, it's a focal length I use a lot, I like the way it can isolate a detail. Which is why I now have fourteen of them.

I set the Benbo tripod up in the shade of a tree in the Churchyard and shot three pictures with each lens, focused on the gravestone in the center. It's a quick and dirty test, the gravestone doesn't move and there are other stones in front and behind. In the distance there are trees and buildings to judge sharpness and bokeh, on the right there are two power cables that are only visible from some lenses when closed down.
Three shots, wide open - whatever that is for the lens, f8, and closed right down. Which is f22 for all the lenses except the Super Paragon - Cimko which is f16. I didn't re take any shots. ( Except when I kicked the tripod ) None have been PP at all, just resized. ISO 500, Sony A6000.









































































I've looked through the pictures and there is nothing that really disappoints me, but the usual suspects shine as expected - the Rokkors, Canon, Takumars, Olympus and the Pentacon. The Yashica is OK, the Jupiter way better than I expected. The big surprise is the Tokina, especially for such an old lens. The Super Paragon / Cimko was one of the first MF lenses I got, it impressed me back then and although I now have better lenses, it doesn't disappoint me. Which leaves the Soligor, Vivitar and the Helios / Cimko. Are they bad? no, not at all. There are just better lenses.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Lloyd for all your time and effort here.
There are no bad ones are there, just degrees of good.
I rather like the Vivitar Komine results both wide open and at f8 - certainly gels with my experience of that lens.
Embarassed I have noticed also that I have collected a few 135mm lenses myself over the years Very Happy
Happy snaps
OH


PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldhand wrote:
Thank you Lloyd for all your time and effort here.
There are no bad ones are there, just degrees of good.
I rather like the Vivitar Komine results both wide open and at f8 - certainly gels with my experience of that lens.
Embarassed I have noticed also that I have collected a few 135mm lenses myself over the years Very Happy
Happy snaps
OH


+1 I have many 135mm lenses too, even noname primes are good enough to use for most of us.
I did found pretty crappy only Formula 5 , maker is unknown.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's not much to choose from between these lenses.

I'm trying to reduce my collection of 135's Apart from an old Nikkor f3.5 I really only need one good one for my Minoltas and Pentaxes an M42 is perfect and I have several of those: Jupiter 11, Jupiter 37A, CZJ Sonnar, and another which I can't remember plus my Rokkor 3.5 not as many as Dave but it feels like it.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have any idea why some exposed better than others wide open?


PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was testing the rokkor yesterday (qd version.) There is some CA wide open but it is probably my favourite of the 135s so far with a combination of sharpness and contrast and colour. Surprisingly better than the hexanon 135. Feels good in the hands too.

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Last edited by 1kgcoffee on Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:58 pm; edited 3 times in total


PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodrim wrote:
Do you have any idea why some exposed better than others wide open?


I wondered the same thing.


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodrim wrote:
Do you have any idea why some exposed better than others wide open?


I think that was nothing more than the sun going behind clouds, it was very windy with light cloud and constant light and shade. I tried to expose using the histogram but taking so many pictures it was easy to misjudge it. I think the exposures could have been more consistent with a bit more care on my part, but there's nothing that a bit of PP wouldn't fix in real world pictures


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great test, LLoyd!. I have always been partial to the SMC Takumars, but in this test - I think the Jupiter 11 is my favorite. I certainly think it has the best wide-open performance. The Tak may have an edge in the color department - but that is easy to adjust in post.

Best, and many thanks!

Paul


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lloydy wrote:
woodrim wrote:
Do you have any idea why some exposed better than others wide open?


I think that was nothing more than the sun going behind clouds, it was very windy with light cloud and constant light and shade. I tried to expose using the histogram but taking so many pictures it was easy to misjudge it. I think the exposures could have been more consistent with a bit more care on my part, but there's nothing that a bit of PP wouldn't fix in real world pictures


Ah! That makes sense. My clue should have been ISO 500! You did a nice job, even with the shifting light.


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great job! No real losers nor winners here, like said before! I think all lens enthusiasts have collected loads of 135s, i have never counted mine..... Wink


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CBokeh wrote:
woodrim wrote:
Do you have any idea why some exposed better than others wide open?


I wondered the same thing.


Some of my mflenses tend to underexposure as you stop them down. The camera sees more light than there is . I guess this is due to internal reflections between the sensor and the back of the diaphragm iris.


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice collection.. No Zeiss Jena Sonnar 135??


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All of them look basically equally sharp from here, which comes as a bit of a surprise. Also interesting – at least to me – is how well most of them perform at f/22. The bokeh is where each one of them shows their character. I'm drawn towards the two presets, the non-preset Takumar and the Vivitar.

Thank you very much for taking the time to do this and sharing.


PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For us nobs. Do you mind updating the thread to have each Len's full information? so we can go look up information on each. etc.

In some cases there are more than one model / build also.

Thanks


PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vroger wrote:
For us nobs. Do you mind updating the thread to have each Len's full information? so we can go look up information on each. etc.

In some cases there are more than one model / build also.

Thanks


I shall edit the original post to include as much information on each lens , it'll be the best information I have and other people might well have more details. I'll also take a picture of each lens and add those as well.

It won't be tonight, but watch this space.


PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lloydy wrote:
vroger wrote:
For us nobs. Do you mind updating the thread to have each Len's full information? so we can go look up information on each. etc.

In some cases there are more than one model / build also.

Thanks


I shall edit the original post to include as much information on each lens , it'll be the best information I have and other people might well have more details. I'll also take a picture of each lens and add those as well.

It won't be tonight, but watch this space.



Thank you !


PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very enlightening exercise - thank you!

For isolating detail, I'd suggest my favorite 135mm - Nikon 135/2 DC.

Texsport


PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great test and it was nice to see the Helios 135 on the list, this is one of my favourite lenses.

This is not a great subject, but does show what the Helios can do.



PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

texsport wrote:
Very enlightening exercise - thank you!

For isolating detail, I'd suggest my favorite 135mm - Nikon 135/2 DC.

Texsport


I have no Nikon at all, I have nothing against Nikon, but I need yet another mount system like a hole in the head ! Laughing


PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pdccameras wrote:
Great test, LLoyd!. I have always been partial to the SMC Takumars, but in this test - I think the Jupiter 11 is my favorite. I certainly think it has the best wide-open performance. The Tak may have an edge in the color department - but that is easy to adjust in post.

Best, and many thanks!

Paul

+1
They're mainly different in the quality of wide open shots, otherwise it's not much different by stopping down. I looked through all the tests first and stopped by the one that impressed me the most, in term of sharpness and bokeh, that's Jupiter Very Happy
I found mixed reviews on the Helios 135 but from here I can tell it's not bad at all.


PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

great comparison, thanks much for sharing !


PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great test Lloydy. I too have many 135s. They all do pretty well, it's like 50s, there aren't many bad ones. In your test I was drawn to the Jupiter as well.

Some nice ones I've tried that you don't have included: Zeiss Contax Sonnar 135/2.8, Konica Hexanon 135 3.2 and Vivitar 135 2.3. I picked up one of the 35mm Mamiya 135s recently for a few bucks and the samples I have seen look really nice. The only adapter out there for Nex/A7 is 40 bucks though, so I will probably just sell the lens.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the 135er are copied SONNAR type lenses. The optical qualities are subject of the mechanical and assembling care! Otherwise, the 135mm telephoto lenses are more or less, all not bad!