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Orio
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:42 pm Post subject: Tessar Pancake |
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Orio wrote:
Yesteday in the mail I received a Tessar Pancake that I got for relatively cheap considering the crazy prices that this lenses has reached in the last year (I saw some sold for more than 200 Euros!)
This lens is relatively rare to find, so when I had the occasion, I got it.
I have read lukewarm reviews of this lens, often described as overrated. My experience is completely different. I shot a series of photos yesterday and the results have pleased me greatly.
Having owned the Tessar 2.8/50 Carl Zeiss Jena, I was expecting a similar lens, that is, soft wide open. But this Contax is completely different. It is sharp wide open, in a way that most of the times, I don't feel the need to apply any sharpening at all, in spite of the Canon's antialiasing.
This is one of the pictures I took yesterday, first the whole image resized:
Then the original size, completely untouched (not sharpened, not saturated, not anything):
www.orio.ws/temp/tessarpancake.htm
But the thing that most impressed me, is: I am getting pictures that completely remind me of my father's Super Ikonta (now for repairs), which sports a 2.8/80 Tessar. The same old type of images. Sharp, but not exceedingly. Details, but sweet at the same time. Hard to explain. I had forgotten about that type of images, but now I recalled them, and I can't wait to get the Super Ikonta back.
For the moment, here's one of the pictures took with the pancake that exactly remind me of the Super Ikonta image quality:
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poilu
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
congrats
according to
http://www.jcolwell.ca/photography/lens$db/reviews-v07.pdf
it have a excellent flare resistance
I like the rich color and nice bokeh and of course the small size
It's a good alternative to industar 50 3.5.
I took mine in april for 1 euro more than yours |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57839 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Congrats for your new toy, look pretty promising lens. _________________ -------------------------------
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
That tessar pancake formula does a beautiful job of balancing sharpness with creamy boke. It seems to get micro-contrast right which helps with the 3D look
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
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P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
patrickh wrote: |
That tessar pancake formula does a beautiful job of balancing sharpness with creamy boke. It seems to get micro-contrast right which helps with the 3D look
patrickh |
You're absolutely right, although I have to admit that the bokeh in the Contax Tessar isn't as smooth as the bokeh of CZ Jena Tessar (on the other hand, the CZJ Tessar is much softer).
Personally, what captivates me in this little Tessar is the fact that the images have that "old time" feeling that is often very difficult to achieve with digital cameras. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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patrickh
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
I feel like an old record - check out the nikkor 45/2.8. Tessar pancake and beautiful
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
patrickh wrote: |
I feel like an old record - check out the nikkor 45/2.8. Tessar pancake and beautiful
patrickh |
I looked for it, but so far I could only see it at hair-rising prices - pretty much like this contax. As soon as it approached a reasonable price, I got it. Now I am also waiting for a good Industar copy from Attila so I guess I'm done with pancakes for a while But you never know, when a good deal presents itself I always consider to get it! _________________ Orio, Administrator
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patrickh
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Unfortunately Nikon discontinued the lens a year or so ago and it took on something of a cult status, raising the already high new price in the used market. I was lucky enough to get a reconditioned one from Cameta at half price a couple of years back. Keep looking, it is a lens with its own special character.
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
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M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: |
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vilva wrote:
The 45 mm Tessar is a very nice lens, and it is a pity that it cannot be used on a 5D when infinity focus is required - at the edges it would be sharper even than the f/1.7 Planar. At the center, the very finest detail is somewhat subdued at f/5.6, but at f/2.8 it is on par with the Planar at f/1.7 and the sides are again better although at about 12 mm from the center the finest detail is very subdued, which of course doesn't much matter on a crop body. The f/2.8 40 lp/mm MTF curve published by Zeiss is very strange - it is reasonably good at the center, drops then to almost abysmal at 12 mm from the center, peaks to exceptionally good at 18 mm (much better than the Planar at f/5.6!) and dives very steeply down, which would affect only FF corners.
One of these days I'll check whether it is completely hopeless to try to use it on the 5D. It is a question of 0.1-0.2 mm only, and it just might be possible to do something. I can, of course, use it on the nice Contax 139Q which I bought for 50e including the motor drive.
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Orio
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:47 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Veijo, what you say sounds strange to me. I have just finished taking some samples with the 5D and it works perfectly at infinite with my Tessar.
Perhaps I am using a thicker adapter than yours?
About MTFs - for the Tessar, I have only the one made by Zeiss:
http://www.zeiss.com/C12567A8003B8B6F/EmbedTitelIntern/Tessar2.8_45mm_e/$File/Tessar2.8_45mm_e.pdf
But it only displays figures for f/2.8 and f/5.6
On the contrary, this Italian site:
http://www.geocities.com/ilprode/TestZ.htm
seems to have access, for many Contax lenses (but not the Tessar, unfortunately) to MTFs that display the figures for all apertures. A thing that I find extremely useful, in order to know well the lens and what it can give you.
I think I'll write this guy and ask him how he could obtain these more complete MTFs - I wonder if the source is official (Zeiss) or third-party. The results for compatible apertures adhere completely to those from Zeiss so I'd think that Zeiss might also be the source for these more complete data. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:52 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Isn't that amazing!
Such great results can be achieved with a lens design that has originally been calculated by Paul Rudolph in 1902!!
Those gentlemen were magicians of light!
Congratulations, Orio! What a great new member of your collection.
The well-known Rollei 35 ows its fame mainly to the Tessar lens.
More here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tessar
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:59 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Orio wrote: |
... I wonder if the source is official (Zeiss) or third-party. The results for compatible apertures adhere completely to those from Zeiss so I'd think that Zeiss might also be the source for these more complete data. |
Due to "Zeiss Camera Lens News Nr. 19" (March 2003), Kyocera orders the MTF data from Zeiss for all the Contax lenses (no matter if 645, N, G or RTS). _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Orio
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:03 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
LucisPictor wrote: |
Due to "Zeiss Camera Lens News Nr. 19" (March 2003), Kyocera orders the MTF data from Zeiss for all the Contax lenses (no matter if 645, N, G or RTS). |
Unfortunately, in the Contax PDF brochures that are downloadable at Zeiss, only the figures for the widest aperture and f/5.6 are reported.
While it is greatly interesting -at least to me- to read about the lens behaviour at all apertures. For instance, one could know exactly how much quality he's going to give up when stopping down a wide angle completely (a thing that I often like to do to obtain the maximum DOF). _________________ Orio, Administrator
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vilva
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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vilva wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Veijo, what you say sounds strange to me. I have just finished taking some samples with the 5D and it works perfectly at infinite with my Tessar.
Perhaps I am using a thicker adapter than yours? |
In this case the adapter isn't the problem. For infinity focus, the lens itself must get close enough to the sensor plane. The Tessar I have has a low frame around the back element, and at about 4 m distance position the 5D mirror hits this frame. It just might be possible to modify the frame, but it would leave very little leeway between the back element and the mirror, maybe 0.2 mm or even less, and I don't feel very comfortable about that.
I've got the same pdf, all the Zeiss specs are like that. However curves are curves, and there is so much variation between individual lenses, even those made by/for Zeiss, that I wouldn't put too much emphasis on them. In this case, it is nice to have the curves to explain the slightly anomalous behaviour of the Tessar at 40 lp/mm, and having the curves is certainly better than having a few spot readings. However, on the basis of those curves, it really is impossible to predict what happens at f/8 or f/11. You'll just have to test with a suitable target.
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Orio
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
vilva wrote: |
In this case the adapter isn't the problem. For infinity focus, the lens itself must get close enough to the sensor plane. The Tessar I have has a low frame around the back element, and at about 4 m distance position the 5D mirror hits this frame. It just might be possible to modify the frame, but it would leave very little leeway between the back element and the mirror, maybe 0.2 mm or even less, and I don't feel very comfortable about that.
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Veijo, I don't think that my copy of the lens is different from yours. So the fact that I am able to shoot with the lens at infinite position may depend from the adapter that I am using: a just slightly thicker adapter may raise the lens of just that little bit that allows for the mirror to clear. Doesn't it sound like a logical explanation? If not, then we have to conclude that either my 5D or my copy of the lens are different from yours. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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vilva
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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vilva wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Veijo, I don't think that my copy of the lens is different from yours. So the fact that I am able to shoot with the lens at infinite position may depend from the adapter that I am using: a just slightly thicker adapter may raise the lens of just that little bit that allows for the mirror to clear. Doesn't it sound like a logical explanation? |
If my adapter were even slightly thicker, I wouldn't be able to reach infinity focus at all, in fact I hope I had a slightly thinner adapter because my shorter Contax lenses have problems reaching infinity wide open. It is the focusing part of the lens body which is hitting the mirror, and a thicker adapter would prevent it from reaching the infinity position.
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If not, then we have to conclude that either my 5D or my copy of the lens are different from yours. |
I think there is a difference somewhere,
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Orio
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I took this one today. I swear the colours all come from the lens. Not even a 0.0001% saturation adjustment on my part:
This is a 100% crop. If you consider that it's not sharpened and that it's either 800 or 1600 Iso (can't remember), and aperture at f/4 or f/4.5, I'd say it's not bad at all:
Note that although this was an extremely difficult situation for the lens (dark building object in strong backlight) CA is virtually absent, you have to size up to 200% to glimpse it. Try to get this CA performance in any non-APO zooms if you're able to _________________ Orio, Administrator
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spkennedy3000
Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 334 Location: London
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:14 am Post subject: |
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spkennedy3000 wrote:
Wow cool stuff.
Any chance of a picture of the lens? _________________ G2 21 28 45 90
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:15 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Orio wrote: |
... I'd say it's not bad at all... |
That's some understatement! This lens obviously is great, Orio! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
spkennedy3000 wrote: |
Wow cool stuff.
Any chance of a picture of the lens? |
Sure, it's featured on my newborn site:
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Farside
Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Posts: 6549 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Farside wrote:
Orio wrote: |
I took this one today. I swear the colours all come from the lens. Not even a 0.0001% saturation adjustment on my part:
This is a 100% crop. If you consider that it's not sharpened and that it's either 800 or 1600 Iso (can't remember), and aperture at f/4 or f/4.5, I'd say it's not bad at all:
Note that although this was an extremely difficult situation for the lens (dark building object in strong backlight) CA is virtually absent, you have to size up to 200% to glimpse it. Try to get this CA performance in any non-APO zooms if you're able to |
Wow. Now that is something that's a challenge to capture and get right. It's nice to see a natural colouration like that instead of the glaringly artificial colourings coming out of Photoshop and the like, which are so common now.
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Farside wrote: |
Wow. Now that is something that's a challenge to capture and get right. It's nice to see a natural colouration like that instead of the glaringly artificial colourings coming out of Photoshop and the like, which are so common now. |
Yes. Since I started to use Russian and German lenses, I have forgotten about the saturation control. 99% of the times I get the perfect photograph immediately out of the lens.
When I was using Canon EF lenses, the first thing immediately I had to do when raw processing was to boost the saturation because all pictures looked vampirized (i.e. pale). The problem is, if you don't know exactly how to do it, boosting saturation in post processing causes the images to look unnatural. Which is many photographers seem to like anyway today. I personally get bored very quickly by looking at images whose all colours appear obviously to have boosted to the max in post processing. But that's my personal taste.
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(I don't know why, but half the time the imageshack links don't work - the first half appears, but not the actual pic link) |
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Katastrofo
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Katastrofo wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought all Tessars were of 4 elements,
not 3, like the Cooke triplets.
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Katastrofo wrote: |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought all Tessars were of 4 elements,
not 3, like the Cooke triplets.
Bill |
Yes, Tessar has four elements, it is a development of the Cooke triplet original scheme. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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vilva
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:11 am Post subject: |
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vilva wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Katastrofo wrote: |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought all Tessars were of 4 elements,
not 3, like the Cooke triplets.
Bill |
Yes, Tessar has four elements, it is a development of the Cooke triplet original scheme. |
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tessar
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