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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:55 am Post subject: Kyoei 250/4 - Sonnar |
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luisalegria wrote:
I spotted this in my usual search for obscure Japanese lenses. The name seemed curious, and luckily I recognized this for what it was.
"Tekkor" is probably a distributors trademark that I have never seen before. I expect it is quite rare, and possibly may not have been used in the USA. What this lens is is a Kyoei Acall, I have seen this under that name before. I guess that it dates from around 1960.
Kyoei of course was a very small Japanese lens-maker of the late 1950's-early 1960's. One will most commonly find Kyoei Leica/Canon rangefinder lenses, but they made a small volume of SLR lenses also, as well as supplying the early Petri SLR lenses. I have a Kyoei Acall 180/3.5 -
http://forum.mflenses.com/kyoei-acall-180-3-5-m42-a-rare-lens-t14579,highlight,kyoei+180.html
All Kyoei SLR lenses are quite uncommon, and the 250/4 is more uncommon than say the 135 or 180 Kyoei's. One of these days I would like to run across that 500/8 Kyoei, its likely to be very interesting.
In any case, this one is in worn but perfectly functional condition. The helical and diaphragm are a bit stiff, which will mean some work at some point, but I'm reluctant to open this as it does work very well anyway. Someone at one time replaced one of its lens mount screws, so its not in collectors shape, but so be it. it also came in a formerly nice leather case that is falling apart. It also came with the proper hood, which is a huge thing - and exactly what it should have, many dedicated hoods are way too small.
It is a very heavy lens. This thing feels solid, like its full of glass. I expect that this is due to a lot of brass in its construction - or perhaps its got some thick pieces of glass in there. Oddly enough, it does not have the same style in its rings as the 135 and 180 Kyoeis. The tripod mount is very distinctive. It focuses remarkably close for what it is, 10ft/3m, which was uncommon in those days.
Performance is mostly excellent. This is a sharp lens at f/4, which is not common among "fast" lenses of the time. This thing is after all nearly a 300mm. Its better than my Telemegor 300/4.5 and my Takumar 300/4, and is almost as heavy.
It does suffer from flare. Its not good shooting into the sun or backlit subjects, there is a tendency to ghosting. A big and deep hood is a necessity for this thing.
I used my Exakta->Pentax K adapter, which gave me "infinity at about 50-70 meters, which is more than enough for my usual purposes.
The bird -
crop -
_________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work.
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Mist
Joined: 28 Jul 2009 Posts: 134 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:47 am Post subject: |
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Mist wrote:
Congrats with great find. I like the photos, the are contrasty and sharp. |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:01 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Another super find, that lens looks a beast! Loving the photies as well, good to see you've been collecting again _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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Séamuis
Joined: 20 Jul 2008 Posts: 157 Location: here & now
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:22 am Post subject: |
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Séamuis wrote:
wow! I am impressed! and that lens hood.... nice piece of kit this thing is. _________________ Fish-Eye -- Fish-Eye-Takumar 1:11/18
WideAngle -- Super-Takumar 1:3.5/28, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3/35, Auto-Takumar 1:3.5/35, Super-Takumar 1:3.5/35
Normal -- S-M-C Takumar 1:1.4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:1.8/55, Super-Takumar 1:1.8/55, S-M-C Takumar 1:1.8/55, SMC Takumar 1:1.8/55, Auto-Takumar 1:2/55
TeleType -- S-M-C Takumar 1:1.8/85, S-M-C Takumar 1:2.8/105, Super-Takumar 1:3.5/135, Tele-Takumar 1:6.3/300
Zoom -- Super Takumar-Zoom 1:4.5/70~150
Macro -- Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, S-M-C Macro-Takumar 1:4/100, Bellows-Takumar 1:4/100
Medium Format -- S-M-C Takumar 6X7 1:2.8/90 LS
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Tervueren
Joined: 18 May 2011 Posts: 1177 Location: West Sussex, United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Tervueren wrote:
Just bought one of these, mine is marked Acall and comes with original leather case and also a little fungus, can't wait for delivery and to see it in the flesh lol |
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Very nice results, Luis. I have an Acall and like its rendering.
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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kopi234
Joined: 25 Jul 2012 Posts: 103 Location: Indonesia
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Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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kopi234 wrote:
seems pretty sharp and good color rendering.
BTW You're right about the weird name, tekkor (tekor) in Indonesian it means suffering losses.
however due to good performance, it seems that this tekkor will make you happy.
congratulation! _________________ secangkir kopi, sebatang rokok |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
I actually also just foumd another, in Kyoei Acall brand. Not yet received.
From the bid pictures it seems to be in appalling condition, hence a very low price.
It seems to have lost its lens mount and its tripod mount.
But no mount = opportunity to add a mount, which may give me this lens in proper PK mounting.
Of course it may also be a total loss, that's the fun gamble with this hobby. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16657 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Congrats, another great find! _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Tervueren wrote: |
Just bought one of these, mine is marked Acall and comes with original leather case and also a little fungus, can't wait for delivery and to see it in the flesh lol |
Is it from ebay? I saw one that ended a couple of days ago, there were no bidders with little time left, I almost had a bid but I need another long lens for 35mm like I need a hole in the head. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
I just got my new one.
Working on it last night, and I have it going, more or less.
Mount was missing entirely, someone seems to have ground it off. I drilled and tapped the blank spot and put on a PK mount, cleaned the glass and unfroze the helical. Its working now, but not quite hitting infinity, maybe by a half an mm. I may need to do some more grinding.
I was able to check out the lens formula - five elements in three groups, the middle group a huge thick chunk of glass, apparently three cemented elements - i.e., as best I can tell, an "Olympia" type old-fashioned Sonnar. The 180mm is the same btw. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Tervueren
Joined: 18 May 2011 Posts: 1177 Location: West Sussex, United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Tervueren wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Tervueren wrote: |
Just bought one of these, mine is marked Acall and comes with original leather case and also a little fungus, can't wait for delivery and to see it in the flesh lol |
Is it from ebay? I saw one that ended a couple of days ago, there were no bidders with little time left, I almost had a bid but I need another long lens for 35mm like I need a hole in the head. |
Sorry Ian, could have sworn I posted a reply but obviously not lol, it was this one Click here to see on Ebay |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Good luck ! Look forward your shoots, I did re-ject it due I didn't expect much, Luis certainly best photographer ever he can make all strange stuff to Golden Leica Great series Luis, I love them all. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:32 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
I have another of these. I found one last year that was in terrible shape, missing its lens mount and tripod mount.
Besides being extremely dirty, stuck focus, stuck aperture, etc.
Someone apparently had ground off the old mount.
I fixed it, by adding a PK mount on the ground down rear where I believe an Exakta mount used to be, to give it infinity focus with PK, which I cant get with the Exakta mount version. That one is lovely, but less usable.
In the process I also found that this lens is an original Sonnar formula. So in a sense it is almost a direct replacement for the Zeiss 300/4, certainly on APS-C.
So now its not so bad -
Samples -
_________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16657 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:05 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Looks pretty darn good I'd say! _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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Nordentro
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 4713 Location: Lillehammer, Norway
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:38 am Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
Looks pretty darn good I'd say! |
+1!!
One of the better legacy telelenses I ever saw _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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