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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:49 am Post subject: Tamrons Sonnar - 200/2.8 |
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luisalegria wrote:
I have been looking for this thing for almost two years, ever since I saw it in Captain Jack's Exakta page.
Its a rather rare early Tamron, the model 360 200mm f/2.8. This one was sold under the Spectra Coligon brand, Spectra being a US distributors brand, later renamed Aetna, and Coligon was a trademark they often used.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.tamron.co.jp/data/old-lens/olm200f2_8.htm
OK, whats interesting about it ? Other than being very large and heavy, of course. Well, it looks like it is what one would expect - its a copy of the famous Zeiss Olympia Sonnar, the original version. Five elements in three groups, one big one in front, what looks like three very thick cemented elements in one group in the middle, and a single element in the back.
Tamron (Taisei Kogaku) made three very ambitious lenses in 1960, the 1.2/58, 2.8/200 and a 5.6/400, Tamron models 340, 360 and 380, all issued with the original T-mount - these may indeed have been the very first T-mount lenses. Why did Tamron do this ? I can only assume they wanted recognition and to make a splash in the market. Whats also interesting is that all three of these lenses are quite rare. It looks like Tamron sold few of them, or didn't sell them for very long. Perhaps they were too ambitious, and a small upstart Japanese third-party lens maker couldn't really compete in such markets. Too expensive to make ? Performance was disappointing ? Who knows.
This one came with all the original accessories, case (in poor shape), hood, lens cap, original lovely brass Exakta T-mount (maybe itself collectible ?) and rear filter tray that takes Series V. Its the same tray used in the 5.6/400 model 340, that I also have. I don't know if this lens requires a filter in the back, so I put a Series V UV in there just in case. Its a good idea to have such a rear filter, the front filter thread is I think an odd size, maybe 85mm.
So whats it like ? Well as one would expect this thing is very heavy and awkward, probably as much as a real Zeiss Olympia Sonnar. The spec says its 1.5Kg, 3.3 lb, and I can believe it.
Minimum focus is 10ft/3m, which is a bit long for a 200mm even at the time. The huge barrel gives it a very long and slow focus; the advantage though is it can be very precise. The preset mechanism is just a huge version of the usual Japanese two-ring system. The hood reverses over the barrel and the lens cap screws on to the back of the hood, an odd but effective system. The tripod mount has the same rather awkward ring release as the 400mm model 340, that is prone to jamming.
Performance - well, the reason to have such a thing at all is to use it at f/2.8, as I have plenty of 200mm f/4's, all of them much smaller and lighter. So I shot everything (so far) at f/2.8. Wide open this is a reasonably sharp lens in my opinion, doing better than many 135's at that aperture. It suffers from some CA and there is some blue fringing around the usual white areas. It may also suffer from some lack of contrast. The bokeh looks very nice. Whether it competes with Zeiss is not for me to say as I have never tried a Sonnar. So let me know what you think.
Not much time this week for taking pictures, and it may be a while before I get to the zoo or someplace fun. Maybe I will come up with some portraits soon. All at f/2.8, some flower shots with an extension tube.
The bird -
Crop -
_________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6943 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:36 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
There is some CA going on there (in the bird's eye), but nevertheless it looks fantastic espcially the shot with the person on the grass. It also looks very cool on your camera!
Was the UV filter in place when you took these samples? _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Yes, the UV filter was in place.
I'm looking for a Series V neutral-density filter to permit wide open shooting in bright light. Its hard to find a good shot that will work at noon in California as my camera only goes to ISO 200 and 1/4000 sec. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5077 Location: France
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Wow !!!
It looks wonderful and seems to shoot so !
Did you have a lot of waste during your test shooting ?
The bird is incredibly neat !
Congrats for this catch, Luis. _________________ Olivier - Moderator
Dslr : Olympus Pen E-P2 - Fujifilm X-Pro2 - Canon 5D MkII.
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Wormhandler
Joined: 19 May 2008 Posts: 106 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Wormhandler wrote:
Lovely lens and great pictures.
This must be of the same series? Or am I wrong in my assumptions?
http://www.tradera.com/Pentax-M42-Tamron-200-3-5-auktion_100636069
/Jan _________________
Those which I use:
Carl Zeiss Jena:Tessar 5cm 3,5 Tessar 2,8 50mm (3 versions), Sonnar 135mm 3,5, Tessar 135mm 4,5 (Compur), Flektogon 35mm 2,4, Sonnar 180mm 2,8, Sonnar 300mm 4
Cosina Voigtländer:125mm 2,5 Macro APO Lanthar.
Enna Werk Munchen:Tele-zoom 85-250mm
Ernst Leitz Wetzlar:Voort 90mm 4, Hektor 135mm 4,5
Helios:Helios 44-4 (& 44-2) 58mm 2
Industar:Industar 5cm 3,5, Industar-22 5cm 3,5-rangefinder
Isco Göttingen:Tele Westanar 180mm 4
Meyer Optik Görlitz:Lydith 30mm 3,5, Domiplan 50mm 2,8, Primotar 50 3,5, Orestor 135mm 2,8, Telemegor 150 5,5, Telemegor 180mm 5,5, Orestegor 200mm 4 Telemegor 400mm 5,6.
Mir:Mir 1B 37mm 2,8
Nikon:
Nikkor 35 1.4, Nikkor 85 2, Series E 35mm 2,5, Nikkor 35mm 2, Micro Nikkor 55mm 2,8, Series E 100mm 2,8, Nikkor 135m 2,8, Zoom-Nikkor 35-105mm.
Olympus:F-Zuiko Auto-S 50mm 1.8 (m42), E-zuiko Auto-T 135mm 2,5 (m42), Zuiko 85mm 2 MC (OM)
Panagor (Same as vivitar i Guess):28mm 2,5, 200mm 3,5
Pentacon29mm 2,8, 50mm 1,8, 135mm 2,8
Pentax:Auto takumar 35mm 3.5
SMC-takumar 28 3.5, SMC-Takumar 50mm 1.4, SMC-takumar 135mm 3.5, Takumar (bayonet) 135mm 2.5,Takumar 500mm 4
SMC M 35mm 3.5, SMC M 40 2.8, SMC M 50mm 2, SMC M 50mm 1.7, SMC A 50mm 2, SMC M 100 2.8, SMC M 100mm 4 Macro, SMC M 135mm 3,5 SMC M 200mm 4, SMC M 80-200mm 4,5
Shacht af Ulm:Edixa travenar 50mm 2,8, Edixa Travenar 135mm 3,5
Schneider KreuznachXenar 50mm 3,5, Xenar 50mm 2,8, Radionar 80mm 2,9 (Folder), Radionar 10,5cm 4,5 (Folder), Tele-Xenar 135mm 3,5, Symmar 150mm 5,6, Tele-Xenar 200mm 5,5.
Soligor:100-300mm 5 C/D.
Steinheil:Actinar 10,5cm 4,5 (Prontor)
Tamron:Adaptall2 28mm 2.5, Adaptall2 35-70 3.5, Auto Tamron 28 2.8, Auto.tamron 105 2.5, Auto-tamron 135 2.8, Auto Tamron 200 3.5, Auto Tamron 300 5.6 Tamron SP 70-210 3.5-4
Tokyo Koki:Tele-Tokina 135mm 2.8, Tele-Tokina 135mm 3.5 (brand kennex), Tele-Tokina 300 5.5.
Vivitar:Series 1 70-210 (Kiron)
Yashica:
Auto Yashinon-DX 50mm 1.7, Auto Yashinon-DX 50mm 2, Yashica ML 50mm 1.7, Yashica ML 50mm 2 |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:38 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Hi Jan,
Yes it is. I have the 3.5/200 also, and I like it very much. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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