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visualopsins
 Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 8027 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:15 am Post subject: |
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... Blowing up the images to the same size as one from a full frame sensor spreads the light out further, effectively, a smaller aperture from the point of view of exposure... |
You meant "from the point of view of dof" not exposure.  _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
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Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses: S-M-C Takumars 1:4.5/20 & 1:2/35, SMC Takumar 1:1.4/50, S-M-C Takumars 1:1.8/85, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/200, 1:4.5/500, & S-M-C Macro-Takumar 1:4/100
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses: Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, Super-Takumar 1:2/35 (Fat), Super-Takumar 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Auto-Takumar 1:2 f=55mm, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:6.3/300
Nikon Nikkor AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5, Tamron SP 51B 17mm f/3.5, Tamron SP 55BB 500mm f/8, Tamron SP 19AH 70-210mm f/3.5 |
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e6filmuser
 Joined: 12 Nov 2010 Posts: 327 Location: Reading UK
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:39 am Post subject: |
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e6filmuser wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
e6filmuser wrote: |
... Blowing up the images to the same size as one from a full frame sensor spreads the light out further, effectively, a smaller aperture from the point of view of exposure... |
You meant "from the point of view of dof" not exposure.  |
This was wrong. I meant DOF. The spreading of light to effect exposure is relevant to extensions, magnifications and TCs and is not about sensor size. _________________ Dedicated to using manual focus lenses with digital. Equiped for photography from macro to panoramic & from ultra-wide to extreme telephoto. Mostly shooting outdoor macro. Experienced entomological taxonomist. |
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visualopsins
 Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 8027 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:13 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
e6filmuser wrote: |
visualopsins wrote: |
e6filmuser wrote: |
... Blowing up the images to the same size as one from a full frame sensor spreads the light out further, effectively, a smaller aperture from the point of view of exposure... |
You meant "from the point of view of dof" not exposure.  |
This was wrong. I meant DOF. The spreading of light to effect exposure is relevant to extensions, magnifications and TCs and is not about sensor size. |
Correct! _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
http://tinyurl.com/bgaho3q
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses: S-M-C Takumars 1:4.5/20 & 1:2/35, SMC Takumar 1:1.4/50, S-M-C Takumars 1:1.8/85, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/200, 1:4.5/500, & S-M-C Macro-Takumar 1:4/100
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses: Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, Super-Takumar 1:2/35 (Fat), Super-Takumar 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Auto-Takumar 1:2 f=55mm, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:6.3/300
Nikon Nikkor AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5, Tamron SP 51B 17mm f/3.5, Tamron SP 55BB 500mm f/8, Tamron SP 19AH 70-210mm f/3.5 |
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Lucse
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Lucse wrote:
I have two of these lenses and willing to sell one, if somebody is interested. |
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e6filmuser
 Joined: 12 Nov 2010 Posts: 327 Location: Reading UK
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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e6filmuser wrote:
Lucse wrote: |
I have two of these lenses and willing to sell one, if somebody is interested. |
Have you tried reversing one on the other for macro?  _________________ Dedicated to using manual focus lenses with digital. Equiped for photography from macro to panoramic & from ultra-wide to extreme telephoto. Mostly shooting outdoor macro. Experienced entomological taxonomist. |
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Lucse
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Lucse wrote:
e6filmuser wrote: |
Lucse wrote: |
I have two of these lenses and willing to sell one, if somebody is interested. |
Have you tried reversing one on the other for macro?  |
... I am (probably) too stupid to get the joke... |
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e6filmuser
 Joined: 12 Nov 2010 Posts: 327 Location: Reading UK
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:17 am Post subject: |
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e6filmuser wrote:
Lucse wrote: |
e6filmuser wrote: |
Lucse wrote: |
I have two of these lenses and willing to sell one, if somebody is interested. |
Have you tried reversing one on the other for macro?  |
... I am (probably) too stupid to get the joke... |
Not a serious proposition.
One technique is to reverse a lens onto the front of another mounted normally on the camera. The combined diopters and short focusing distance can give good results. It is far more likely that two 50mm lenses would be used than two 350mm. However, maybe nobody has been in your unique position of owning two. _________________ Dedicated to using manual focus lenses with digital. Equiped for photography from macro to panoramic & from ultra-wide to extreme telephoto. Mostly shooting outdoor macro. Experienced entomological taxonomist. |
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Lucse
 Joined: 22 Jul 2015 Posts: 122 Location: EU
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Lucse wrote:
e6filmuser wrote: |
Lucse wrote: |
e6filmuser wrote: |
Lucse wrote: |
I have two of these lenses and willing to sell one, if somebody is interested. |
Have you tried reversing one on the other for macro?  |
... I am (probably) too stupid to get the joke... |
Not a serious proposition.
One technique is to reverse a lens onto the front of another mounted normally on the camera. The combined diopters and short focusing distance can give good results. It is far more likely that two 50mm lenses would be used than two 350mm. However, maybe nobody has been in your unique position of owning two. |
I've got two Tamron 500mm f/8 (catadioptric) lenses as well. That would look even more impressive (and stupid, I guess) to use them as 'twin-lens-reverse'-macro set-up.
Although I seriously doubt if it's possible to use catadioptric lenses this way.
But if somebody has a 82mm coupling ring laying around I am willing to give it a try (and no, I am not willing to duck-tape them together ).
If it would work I would get a 500mm macro lens that gives a 1:1 magnification. (The main lens mm divided by the reversed lens mm gives the stacked lens magnification).
And that would be very hard to work with I reckon.
This makes me think: does anybody know what the focal-lenght of the longest 'normal' macro-lens is? (200mm according to me, but is that so?) |
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kds315*
 Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 15863 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:46 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Lucse wrote: |
e6filmuser wrote: |
Lucse wrote: |
e6filmuser wrote: |
Lucse wrote: |
I have two of these lenses and willing to sell one, if somebody is interested. |
Have you tried reversing one on the other for macro?  |
... I am (probably) too stupid to get the joke... |
Not a serious proposition.
One technique is to reverse a lens onto the front of another mounted normally on the camera. The combined diopters and short focusing distance can give good results. It is far more likely that two 50mm lenses would be used than two 350mm. However, maybe nobody has been in your unique position of owning two. |
I've got two Tamron 500mm f/8 (catadioptric) lenses as well. That would look even more impressive (and stupid, I guess) to use them as 'twin-lens-reverse'-macro set-up.
Although I seriously doubt if it's possible to use catadioptric lenses this way.
But if somebody has a 82mm coupling ring laying around I am willing to give it a try (and no, I am not willing to duck-tape them together ).
If it would work I would get a 500mm macro lens that gives a 1:1 magnification. (The main lens mm divided by the reversed lens mm gives the stacked lens magnification).
And that would be very hard to work with I reckon.
This makes me think: does anybody know what the focal-lenght of the longest 'normal' macro-lens is? (200mm according to me, but is that so?) |
Well, that setup would make about the slowest macro lens ever made...
I have a 800mm Long Distance Microscope, not really "normal" for the normal guy in the streets, but for me it is  _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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e6filmuser
 Joined: 12 Nov 2010 Posts: 327 Location: Reading UK
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:25 am Post subject: |
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e6filmuser wrote:
Lucse wrote: |
This makes me think: does anybody know what the focal-lenght of the longest 'normal' macro-lens is? (200mm according to me, but is that so?) |
The Olympus 4/3 70-300mm ED does 1:2 at 300mm. _________________ Dedicated to using manual focus lenses with digital. Equiped for photography from macro to panoramic & from ultra-wide to extreme telephoto. Mostly shooting outdoor macro. Experienced entomological taxonomist. |
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Lucse
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Lucse wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
I have a 800mm Long Distance Microscope, not really "normal" for the normal guy in the streets, but for me it is  |
I am not that much into macro-photography. So I had never heard of Long Distance Microscopes.
But I must say; a whole new world opens up for me .
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The Olympus 4/3 70-300mm ED does 1:2 at 300mm. |
OK, not bad...but did you have a look at those Long Distance Microscopes?  |
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e6filmuser
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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e6filmuser wrote:
Lucse wrote: |
OK, not bad...but did you have a look at those Long Distance Microscopes?  |
With DOF of around 0.05mm, I wouldn't have a use. I have avoided looking up the prices as I have a blood pressure problem  _________________ Dedicated to using manual focus lenses with digital. Equiped for photography from macro to panoramic & from ultra-wide to extreme telephoto. Mostly shooting outdoor macro. Experienced entomological taxonomist. |
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Lucse
 Joined: 22 Jul 2015 Posts: 122 Location: EU
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Lucse wrote:
e6filmuser wrote: |
With DOF of around 0.05mm, I wouldn't have a use. I have avoided looking up the prices as I have a blood pressure problem  |
OK, that blood pressure problem is not good news. Does it make you cough as well?
If so, you can cough up some more money to buy an (electronic controlled) automated motorized focus stacking macro rail.
That solves the 0,05 DOF-problem . |
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e6filmuser
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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e6filmuser wrote:
Lucse wrote: |
e6filmuser wrote: |
With DOF of around 0.05mm, I wouldn't have a use. I have avoided looking up the prices as I have a blood pressure problem  |
OK, that blood pressure problem is not good news. Does it make you cough as well?
If so, you can cough up some more money to buy an (electronic controlled) automated motorized focus stacking macro rail.
That solves the 0,05 DOF-problem . |
I do my macro hand-held. I would need some bionics first!  _________________ Dedicated to using manual focus lenses with digital. Equiped for photography from macro to panoramic & from ultra-wide to extreme telephoto. Mostly shooting outdoor macro. Experienced entomological taxonomist. |
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kds315*
 Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 15863 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Guys, your veering off massively here. This is a thread about the Tamron SP 350mm mirror lens. Stay with that please!
I'm about to cut all this unrelated discussion off and place in in a seperate thread named, well not sure yet..
And btw e6filmuser, macro starts per definition at 1:1 (1x), you talk about "close-up" .... _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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visualopsins
 Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 8027 Location: California
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Off topic & cross posting enrich rather than detract from a discussion imho. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
http://tinyurl.com/bgaho3q
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses: S-M-C Takumars 1:4.5/20 & 1:2/35, SMC Takumar 1:1.4/50, S-M-C Takumars 1:1.8/85, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/200, 1:4.5/500, & S-M-C Macro-Takumar 1:4/100
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses: Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, Super-Takumar 1:2/35 (Fat), Super-Takumar 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Auto-Takumar 1:2 f=55mm, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:6.3/300
Nikon Nikkor AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5, Tamron SP 51B 17mm f/3.5, Tamron SP 55BB 500mm f/8, Tamron SP 19AH 70-210mm f/3.5 |
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visualopsins
 Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 8027 Location: California
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
Guys, your veering off massively here. This is a thread about the Tamron SP 350mm mirror lens. Stay with that please!
I'm about to cut all this unrelated discussion off and place in in a seperate thread named, well not sure yet..
And btw e6filmuser, macro starts per definition at 1:1 (1x), you talk about "close-up" .... |
The last sentence appears to contradict the request of the first.
By whose definition is macro 1:1? References please! _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
http://tinyurl.com/bgaho3q
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses: S-M-C Takumars 1:4.5/20 & 1:2/35, SMC Takumar 1:1.4/50, S-M-C Takumars 1:1.8/85, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/200, 1:4.5/500, & S-M-C Macro-Takumar 1:4/100
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses: Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, Super-Takumar 1:2/35 (Fat), Super-Takumar 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Auto-Takumar 1:2 f=55mm, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:6.3/300
Nikon Nikkor AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5, Tamron SP 51B 17mm f/3.5, Tamron SP 55BB 500mm f/8, Tamron SP 19AH 70-210mm f/3.5 |
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e6filmuser
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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e6filmuser wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
Guys, your veering off massively here. This is a thread about the Tamron SP 350mm mirror lens. Stay with that please!
I'm about to cut all this unrelated discussion off and place in in a seperate thread named, well not sure yet..
And btw e6filmuser, macro starts per definition at 1:1 (1x), you talk about "close-up" .... |
Not in the macro forums I subscribe to. Not that it matters. It's arbitrary. _________________ Dedicated to using manual focus lenses with digital. Equiped for photography from macro to panoramic & from ultra-wide to extreme telephoto. Mostly shooting outdoor macro. Experienced entomological taxonomist. |
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Lucse
 Joined: 22 Jul 2015 Posts: 122 Location: EU
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Lucse wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
Guys, your veering off massively here. This is a thread about the Tamron SP 350mm mirror lens. Stay with that please!
I'm about to cut all this unrelated discussion off and place in in a seperate thread named, well not sure yet..
And btw e6filmuser, macro starts per definition at 1:1 (1x), you talk about "close-up" .... |
Well, you could start with erasing your:
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(Oh look at me) I have a 800mm Long Distance Microscope, not really "normal" for the normal guy in the streets, but for me it is. |
... and this in the MeToo times.
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Lucse
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Lucse wrote:
Only slightly off-topic:
I just discovered that deep in my closet I have a third copy of these Tamron 350 f/5.6 lenses laying around.
Might this be some indication that I have lens lust ? |
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e6filmuser
 Joined: 12 Nov 2010 Posts: 327 Location: Reading UK
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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e6filmuser wrote:
Two shots with the lens on m4/3. The first at a distance of ca 150 feet, the second at closer to 15 feet. The first was with my back to the sun, the second with it to my left. The images are uncropped.
 _________________ Dedicated to using manual focus lenses with digital. Equiped for photography from macro to panoramic & from ultra-wide to extreme telephoto. Mostly shooting outdoor macro. Experienced entomological taxonomist. |
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woodrim
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woodrim wrote:
Rather than start a new thread, I'm adding to this one. This is the last of many mirrors I've acquired and the best at closer distances. Quite amazing, actually, for a mirror.
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calvin83
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calvin83 wrote:
 _________________ My Flickr on street photography
List of Rodenstock Interchangeable Lenses for 35mm cameras with Serial Numbers
The best lens is the one you have with you. Life is too short to let us try every lens!
M42: Pentax 2.0/35 V1, CZ Ultron 1.8/50, Tomioka 1.2/55 & 2.8/60, Enna 1.5/85 & 2.8/90 ...
Exakta: Angenieux 2.5/35 R1, Quinaron 2.8/35, Quinar 3.5/100, Tele-Quinar 2.8/135, RE. Auto-Topcor 4/20, 1.8/58, 1.8/85 ...
Retina S/DKL: Eurygon 2.8/30 and 4/35, Quinon 1.9/50, Heligon 1.9/50, Ysarex 2.8/50, Rotelar 4/85 and 4/135 ...
Enlargers: Hexar 3.5/75, Meopta 4.5/135, Helioplan 4,5/135, Trylor 135mm F4.5 and more
RF: CZ Sonnar T 50/1.5, Jupiter 9 Zorki 1951 LTM, Canon 35/1.8, 50/1.5 and 100/2.0 LTM
MC/MD: Minolta MD 35/1.8, 200/2.8
FD: Canon 2.8/24 S.S.C & 4/200 Macro
Others: Agfa 90/3.4, Prakticar 1.8/80, Schneider SL-Angulon 35/2.8, Rollei HFT 2.8/135, Ross 3.5/91, KMZ PO3-3M 2/50, Zeika 25/0.95, Sun 75mm F1.9, Kern 1.8/50 Macro and much more ...
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