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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:16 am Post subject: Tamron Adaptamatic 21/4.5 1960's Ultrawide |
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luisalegria wrote:
I found this lens at a bargain price - still it is my most expensive Adaptamatic lens ! It is a fairly uncommon lens though one does show up on ebay every month or so. Its much harder to find one at a reasonable price however.
It is a very early super-wide, so the front element is enormous, in spite of being only an f/4.5, it has a 82mm filter ring, compared to 72mm for the slightly later Tokina/T4 21/3.8 and 62mm Cosina 19/3.8 -
L-R - Tamron Adaptamatic 21/4.5, Soligor/Tokina T4 21/3.8, Vivitar/Cosina 19/3.8
I guess because of the super-size front filter, Tamron provided for a tiny 17mm rear filter -
I got this for the sake of my Tamron Adaptamatic collection. So far I am missing the 24/2.8, the very rare 105mm, and the enormous 200-500 zoom.
This lens is of course an Adaptamatic with an interchangeable mount. Construction and finish is excellent like all the Adaptamatics. It is a very pleasant lens to use, all rings are light and smooth. Close-focus is quite good at less than 10"/25cm. The max aperture is very small, f/4.5, but it still seems bright even on my dim DSLR viewfinder.
Performance is superior to the Tokina 21/3.8, being quite sharp even at f/4.5, and much less prone to flare and ghosting, though it will of course do that under the worst conditions. Edge quality is not very good even on a crop-sensor. There is also a quite evident barrel distortion. So this is no substitute for a Flektogon 4/20 and should not sell at the same price, though I have seen that. All in all though, a nice user.
The bird ?
Not cooperating, unfortunately. 21mm is not in their contract.
So, other tests -
Note barrel distortion -
Crop center f/4.5 -
Crop corner -
Into the sun -
_________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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yalcinaydin
Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 825 Location: Izmir, Turkey
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:11 am Post subject: |
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yalcinaydin wrote:
I looks pretty nice. Do you have a photo of your adapt-a-matics all together _________________ My name is "Yalcin", and exactly "Yalçın" and here you can find my MF samples:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/yalcinaydin/sets/
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casualcollector
Joined: 01 Aug 2008 Posts: 748 Location: Spaced out on Florida's Space Coast
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:33 am Post subject: |
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casualcollector wrote:
Good catch, Luis! _________________ In Search Of "R" Serial Soligors
Found: 135/2.8 #R407660, 200/4 #R405526, 300/5.5 #R411127 |
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Attila
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Really nice! first one what I seen! congrats! _________________ -------------------------------
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Hi Seymore,
Its interesting about Bushnell. They seem to have carried the Adaptamatic line for a short time with interchangable adapters and all, probably the only merchant to do that. Some others carried fixed mount versions of some of the Adaptamatics. I also get the impression that Bushnell-branded Adaptamatics are rather scarce. So yours is a collectible !
I should try more flare tests. So far its not bad at all for what it is, or its no worse than my much later Vivitar 19/3.8, which will also flare in a situation your sample shot.
Maybe I'll get one of those girly-man flower hoods. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Jieffe
Joined: 04 Nov 2007 Posts: 754 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Tamron Adaptamatic 21/4.5 1960's Ultrawide |
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Jieffe wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
It is a very early super-wide, so the front element is enormous, in spite of being only an f/4.5, it has a 82mm filter ring, compared to 72mm for the slightly later Tokina/T4 21/3.8 and 62mm Cosina 19/3.8 -
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It ressembles a lot the 24mm I have 72 mm filter ring) :
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
That's a very interesting lens! Thanks for showing it. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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hk300
Joined: 30 Oct 2008 Posts: 1041 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:47 am Post subject: |
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hk300 wrote:
I have a Tamron 21/4.5 Adaptamatic myself with a MD mount.(going to make an adapter to M42 for it)
What other interesting Adaptamatic were available? _________________ No longer member , please don't try to contact to him |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:19 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Hi Alex,
Most of the Adaptamatics were pretty conventional and average. These are not Takumars or Zeiss. There are no legendary lenses in the line. I like the 3.5/200 and 5.6/300, but thats just me. Other people have different opinions.
The 200-500mm zoom would be pretty unique, there were few lenses like that in those days.
The rare 105mm is probably very good as it may be the ancestor of the early Adaptall 105. But that one is indeed rare, I only saw it once ever.
A M42 adapter should be easy, just a male M42-female 58mmx.75
Good luck with it. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Nesster
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 5883 Location: NJ, USA
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
Interesting as always, Luis... Here's a bit more to add to the marketing mysteries of the 60s and 70s...
from 1973:
from 1969:
_________________ -Jussi
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: Tamron Adaptamatic 21/4.5 1960's Ultrawide |
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estudleon wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
So this is no substitute for a Flektogon 4/20..... |
Hi Luis, Wanderfull example!!
you anticipate to my question.
Here are two or three of this lenses going around for a long time.
Good luck with you tammy. Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
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Blue
Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 304
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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Blue wrote:
I let the 105mm adapt-a-matic slip by me on ebay. I got outbid and was gone when it concluded and didn't get to counter. The seller didn't not what it was and thought it was a Nikon lens. I'm certain the other 2 bidders figured it out. _________________ Pentax: K, H2, H3, S3, SV (late & early), SV black, Spot F, K2 chrome, K2 black, ME F, SuperProgram, 6x7, Auto 110, Asahiflex IIB late
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madamasu
Joined: 03 Feb 2009 Posts: 597 Location: Frankfurt/Main Germany
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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madamasu wrote:
Colours and sharpness look very good to me. And if you don't take pictures of brick-walls the barrel-distortion shouldn't be a problem. _________________ Zorki 4
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:38 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Some more shots with the Adaptamatic 21mm
These done on the Pentax K-x, most at f/4.5 with a polarizer (also acts as a ND filter for wide open shooting in daylight)
_________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:09 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Looking at the pics of the lens, it looks very similar in barrel styling to the early Petris I have, makes me wonder if the 1.8/55, 2.8/35 and 5.5/200 Petris I have are not Tamrons too. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Not likely to be the Petri's.
As far as I know Tamron never made a 1.8/55, but who knows what they did make for sale under other brands.
The 2.8/35 Adaptamatic is quite distinctive and much bulkier than the automatic Petris I have seen.
http://forum.mflenses.com/tamron-35-2-8-adaptamatic-t10343,highlight,%2Badaptamatic.html
There is also another very distinctive fixed-mount automatic Tamron that doesn't look like a Petri either - No pictures of that as I only have it in Canon FD mount, but this is the 28mm -
http://forum.mflenses.com/vernon-edonar-taisei-tamron-28-2-8-odd-and-rare-t16523,highlight,%2Btamron.html
And I don't think that Tamron made a 5.5/200 at all in Adaptamatic or similar style, though they did have a rather scarce 5.6/200 preset.
There is a rare Adaptamatic 4.5/200
http://forum.mflenses.com/tamron-adaptamatic-200-4-5-a-rare-tamron-t15276,highlight,%2Btamron.html _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I will have to take some pics of my Petris.
I strongly suspect many japanese companies bought metal parts for the barrels from the same source as there is such a degree of commonality.
This definitely happened is east germany as you can find different lenses from different makers in virtually identical barrels. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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jumbomad
Joined: 25 Jan 2012 Posts: 10 Location: Gothenburg
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject: I have it too |
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jumbomad wrote:
First time posting here ever. I have a bunch of old manual focus lenses and this is one I have had for a while. I have not used it a whole lot but I find it very useful when I do, despite the lack of a good coating. The focus is super smooth on mine. A couple of random pictures below from my Canon 7D.
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Alex H
Joined: 25 Dec 2011 Posts: 344
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: I have it too |
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Alex H wrote:
Quoting to hep show the images. These are very nice.
I have this lens too, but use it only occasionally.
jumbomad wrote: |
First time posting here ever. I have a bunch of old manual focus lenses and this is one I have had for a while. I have not used it a whole lot but I find it very useful when I do, despite the lack of a good coating. The focus is super smooth on mine. A couple of random pictures below from my Canon 7D.
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jumbomad
Joined: 25 Jan 2012 Posts: 10 Location: Gothenburg
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:54 pm Post subject: Thanks |
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jumbomad wrote:
Don't know why the images does not show. But thank you very much. |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
I like it too. I am using it a lot more these days.
Its very good for zone focus style (hyperfocal) and street shooting. Just guesstimate the distance and you will be correct nearly all the time, even wide open.
Of course this is true for any 21mm lens, but most decent ones are much more expensive than this and not as nice to use. It also looks cool. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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mo
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:54 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
I saw one of those 105mm lens a few months ago... .It went fairly cheap by memory. _________________ Moira, Moderator
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NikonD
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NikonD wrote:
just got this lens in nikon mount... judging by the photos it seems in very good condition...
http://www.fcknbstrds.com/ebay/3/3328.JPG
http://www.fcknbstrds.com/ebay/3/3329.JPG
http://www.fcknbstrds.com/ebay/3/3326.JPG |
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takumat
Joined: 24 Mar 2007 Posts: 4 Location: Quebec City
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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takumat wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
Hi Alex,
Most of the Adaptamatics were pretty conventional and average. These are not Takumars or Zeiss. There are no legendary lenses in the line. |
A 35mm f1.8 was announced by Tamron who published a photo with a TBA price and no optical diagram. I saw the lens listed in an old magazine. But has it really been produced? |
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heritagecameras
Joined: 19 Feb 2011 Posts: 102 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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heritagecameras wrote:
takumat wrote: |
A 35mm f1.8 was announced by Tamron who published a photo with a TBA price and no optical diagram. I saw the lens listed in an old magazine. But has it really been produced? |
I remember reading about an Adaptall 28mm f/1.8 once... I think it was in a Photokina report in an American photo magazine. This one never seemed to make it to market, either. Shame! _________________ Dave, HCL |
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