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fatdeeman
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 780 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:38 pm Post subject: Sunagor 80-205mm F/3.8 |
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fatdeeman wrote:
I just picked this up on evilbay for not much, I unwrapped it not long ago and it's in amazing condition too.
I know Sunagor has nothing to do with Sun and I have seen this lens labelled as a Promaster and a Bell and Howell which doesn't inspire confidence but it is also available under the Hoya name so it might not be too bad after all.
It has a pseudo macro mode that I almost missed, it's a one touch design and if you push the ring further after it seems to have reached the end of it's travel it then clicks and goes a little bit further revealing the macro markings on the lens barrel, it feels pretty well made on the whole and quite well damped for what must have been a budget lens even when new.
I have no idea who made it, the only possible lead I have is someone saying on a forum that the Hoya was made by Ozone optical.
When I get home I will take a few snaps with it if the weather gets better, it's terrible at the moment! _________________ - Dave
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DSLR: Canon EOS 60D, Samsung GX-1S (Pentax *ist DS2)
Mirrorless: Panasonic DMC-G1, Sony NEX-5N
Compact: Canon PowerShot G3
Lenses:
Wide: Tokina RMC 28mm F/2.8, Tamron Adaptall 2 28mm F/2.5, Sun Optical 28mm F/2.5, Super paragon 28mm F/2.8, Sigma filtermatic 24mm F/2.8, Fujinon 35mm F/2.8, Sun Optical 35mm F/2.8
Standard: Industar 50-2, Helios 44-2, Helios 44M, Helios 44M-3, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.4, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.7, Pentax-M 50mm F/2, Ricoh 50mm F/1.7, Chinon 50mm F/1.7
Tele: Pentacon 135mm F/2.8, Pentacon 200mm F/3.5, Optomax 200mm f/3.5, Sun Optical 135mm F/3.5, Soligor 350mm F/5.6
Zoom: Tokina 28-70mm f/3.5-4.5 SZ-X270 SD, Sigma Zoom Pi 35-200mm F4-5.6, Sun Optical 28-80mm F/3.5-4.5, Sunagor 80-205mm F/3.8, Tokina RMC 80-200mm F/4, Vivitar 70-150mm F/3.8, Tamron 95-205mm F/6.3, Tamron Adaptall 28-200mm F/3.8-5.6 LD Aspherical, Tokina RMC 70-210mm F/3.5
Mirror: Falcon (Samyang) 800mm F/8, MTO-11CA 1000mm F/10, Tamron Adaptall 2 500mm F/8
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10463 Location: California
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
The name Sunagor, a contraction of Sun-Solagor, is questionable clever marketing tactic, building on top of reputation of others. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
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SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto
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martyn_bannister
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 1151
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:29 pm Post subject: One-touch "quick macro" |
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martyn_bannister wrote:
Interesting. I, too have a zoom lens with this macro feature. It is an "Ozeck" 75-150 zoom in Canon FD mount and the last 5mm of the zoom travel reveals the legend "QUICK MACRO" in very garish capitals. Someone has led me to believe that the Ozeck brand may well have been made by Ozone as well? Are they a respected maker? I can post pictures of my lens if you are interested. |
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martyn_bannister
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 1151
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:32 pm Post subject: Sun - or not |
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martyn_bannister wrote:
visualopsins wrote: |
The name Sunagor, a contraction of Sun-Solagor, is questionable clever marketing tactic, building on top of reputation of others. |
Hmmmm. I have a Sunactinon lens - any idea of its history? |
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fatdeeman
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 780 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: One-touch "quick macro" |
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fatdeeman wrote:
martyn_bannister wrote: |
Interesting. I, too have a zoom lens with this macro feature. It is an "Ozeck" 75-150 zoom in Canon FD mount and the last 5mm of the zoom travel reveals the legend "QUICK MACRO" in very garish capitals. Someone has led me to believe that the Ozeck brand may well have been made by Ozone as well? Are they a respected maker? I can post pictures of my lens if you are interested. |
Mine too has the term "quick macro" in garish letters so we might be getting close to the truth as super ozeck is indeed the name ozone optical use. It seems the quality of ozone lenses varies between decent and excellent from reviews and personal opinions I have read _________________ - Dave
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DSLR: Canon EOS 60D, Samsung GX-1S (Pentax *ist DS2)
Mirrorless: Panasonic DMC-G1, Sony NEX-5N
Compact: Canon PowerShot G3
Lenses:
Wide: Tokina RMC 28mm F/2.8, Tamron Adaptall 2 28mm F/2.5, Sun Optical 28mm F/2.5, Super paragon 28mm F/2.8, Sigma filtermatic 24mm F/2.8, Fujinon 35mm F/2.8, Sun Optical 35mm F/2.8
Standard: Industar 50-2, Helios 44-2, Helios 44M, Helios 44M-3, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.4, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.7, Pentax-M 50mm F/2, Ricoh 50mm F/1.7, Chinon 50mm F/1.7
Tele: Pentacon 135mm F/2.8, Pentacon 200mm F/3.5, Optomax 200mm f/3.5, Sun Optical 135mm F/3.5, Soligor 350mm F/5.6
Zoom: Tokina 28-70mm f/3.5-4.5 SZ-X270 SD, Sigma Zoom Pi 35-200mm F4-5.6, Sun Optical 28-80mm F/3.5-4.5, Sunagor 80-205mm F/3.8, Tokina RMC 80-200mm F/4, Vivitar 70-150mm F/3.8, Tamron 95-205mm F/6.3, Tamron Adaptall 28-200mm F/3.8-5.6 LD Aspherical, Tokina RMC 70-210mm F/3.5
Mirror: Falcon (Samyang) 800mm F/8, MTO-11CA 1000mm F/10, Tamron Adaptall 2 500mm F/8
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martyn_bannister
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 1151
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: One-touch "quick macro" |
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martyn_bannister wrote:
fatdeeman wrote: |
martyn_bannister wrote: |
Interesting. I, too have a zoom lens with this macro feature. It is an "Ozeck" 75-150 zoom in Canon FD mount and the last 5mm of the zoom travel reveals the legend "QUICK MACRO" in very garish capitals. Someone has led me to believe that the Ozeck brand may well have been made by Ozone as well? Are they a respected maker? I can post pictures of my lens if you are interested. |
Mine too has the term "quick macro" in garish letters so we might be getting close to the truth as super ozeck is indeed the name ozone optical use. It seems the quality of ozone lenses varies between decent and excellent from reviews and personal opinions I have read |
Sounds too similar to be different Can find nothing in VM or on the interweb about ozone optical though
That garish writing
Full zoom
Macro
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fatdeeman
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 780 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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fatdeeman wrote:
Yeah it's definitely related.
I tried the lens out a little, wide open it's not so great, probably one of the worst lenses in this focal range I have ever tried.
There is an insane amount of spherical aberration wide open, especially at the tele end. It could prove to be an interesting portrait lens though!
I'm not sure if this is normal for the lens or if there is something wrong but going by the condition of the lens I would be surprised if it was in any way damaged or malfunctioning but on the other hand would Hoya have chosen such a bad lens to put their name on? There is of course the possibility that Hoya put their own superior glass inside.
A shame, I was hoping it would be half decent!
I shall probably put it back on eBay, I might even try another copy to rule out sample variation, they never fetch much money.
On a side note, The only lens I have used of this type that was worse was also branded Sunagor! This one was a different beast though, it was plasticy and had zoom an focus creep and was just terrible altogether, this one is at least nicely put together.
On an interesting note, I picked up another cheap lens today and it was the total opposite of what this forum stands for, a Canon EF 100-200mm F/4.5A one of only two Canon EF lenses to feature no manual focus ring at all, it appears to be a very decent lens! I got it cheap because it is old and mostly forgotten. _________________ - Dave
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DSLR: Canon EOS 60D, Samsung GX-1S (Pentax *ist DS2)
Mirrorless: Panasonic DMC-G1, Sony NEX-5N
Compact: Canon PowerShot G3
Lenses:
Wide: Tokina RMC 28mm F/2.8, Tamron Adaptall 2 28mm F/2.5, Sun Optical 28mm F/2.5, Super paragon 28mm F/2.8, Sigma filtermatic 24mm F/2.8, Fujinon 35mm F/2.8, Sun Optical 35mm F/2.8
Standard: Industar 50-2, Helios 44-2, Helios 44M, Helios 44M-3, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.4, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.7, Pentax-M 50mm F/2, Ricoh 50mm F/1.7, Chinon 50mm F/1.7
Tele: Pentacon 135mm F/2.8, Pentacon 200mm F/3.5, Optomax 200mm f/3.5, Sun Optical 135mm F/3.5, Soligor 350mm F/5.6
Zoom: Tokina 28-70mm f/3.5-4.5 SZ-X270 SD, Sigma Zoom Pi 35-200mm F4-5.6, Sun Optical 28-80mm F/3.5-4.5, Sunagor 80-205mm F/3.8, Tokina RMC 80-200mm F/4, Vivitar 70-150mm F/3.8, Tamron 95-205mm F/6.3, Tamron Adaptall 28-200mm F/3.8-5.6 LD Aspherical, Tokina RMC 70-210mm F/3.5
Mirror: Falcon (Samyang) 800mm F/8, MTO-11CA 1000mm F/10, Tamron Adaptall 2 500mm F/8
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fatdeeman
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 780 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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fatdeeman wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's the lens as seen in this review manualfocus-g provided
http://www.monkeyjumpers.co.uk/Pics/oz/oz4.jpg
The only difference being that Sunagor have pushed the truth a little with the maximum aperture, not an unusual practice at the time. Yours is there too Martyn. _________________ - Dave
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DSLR: Canon EOS 60D, Samsung GX-1S (Pentax *ist DS2)
Mirrorless: Panasonic DMC-G1, Sony NEX-5N
Compact: Canon PowerShot G3
Lenses:
Wide: Tokina RMC 28mm F/2.8, Tamron Adaptall 2 28mm F/2.5, Sun Optical 28mm F/2.5, Super paragon 28mm F/2.8, Sigma filtermatic 24mm F/2.8, Fujinon 35mm F/2.8, Sun Optical 35mm F/2.8
Standard: Industar 50-2, Helios 44-2, Helios 44M, Helios 44M-3, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.4, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.7, Pentax-M 50mm F/2, Ricoh 50mm F/1.7, Chinon 50mm F/1.7
Tele: Pentacon 135mm F/2.8, Pentacon 200mm F/3.5, Optomax 200mm f/3.5, Sun Optical 135mm F/3.5, Soligor 350mm F/5.6
Zoom: Tokina 28-70mm f/3.5-4.5 SZ-X270 SD, Sigma Zoom Pi 35-200mm F4-5.6, Sun Optical 28-80mm F/3.5-4.5, Sunagor 80-205mm F/3.8, Tokina RMC 80-200mm F/4, Vivitar 70-150mm F/3.8, Tamron 95-205mm F/6.3, Tamron Adaptall 28-200mm F/3.8-5.6 LD Aspherical, Tokina RMC 70-210mm F/3.5
Mirror: Falcon (Samyang) 800mm F/8, MTO-11CA 1000mm F/10, Tamron Adaptall 2 500mm F/8
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martyn_bannister
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 1151
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:39 am Post subject: |
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martyn_bannister wrote:
fatdeeman wrote: |
I'm pretty sure it's the lens as seen in this review manualfocus-g provided
http://www.monkeyjumpers.co.uk/Pics/oz/oz4.jpg
The only difference being that Sunagor have pushed the truth a little with the maximum aperture, not an unusual practice at the time. Yours is there too Martyn. |
Good spot! Need to read the rest of it to see if they give any clues about Ozone Optical. |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6624 Location: United Kingdom
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martyn_bannister
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 1151
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:59 am Post subject: |
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martyn_bannister wrote:
Thanks Graham. Knowing what you computer types are like, I'd already worked out the sequence . Have you any info on Ozone Opticals? The article just has these lenses down as coming from Comet?
PS how's it going |
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fatdeeman
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 780 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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fatdeeman wrote:
I took this lens down to the where we keep the horse the other day, the glowing effect wide open and at the long end is actually quite pleasant!
I think it could definitely be quite good for portraits, I would have had someone stood near the rope on the fence ideally but the wife was busy doing horse stuff
_________________ - Dave
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DSLR: Canon EOS 60D, Samsung GX-1S (Pentax *ist DS2)
Mirrorless: Panasonic DMC-G1, Sony NEX-5N
Compact: Canon PowerShot G3
Lenses:
Wide: Tokina RMC 28mm F/2.8, Tamron Adaptall 2 28mm F/2.5, Sun Optical 28mm F/2.5, Super paragon 28mm F/2.8, Sigma filtermatic 24mm F/2.8, Fujinon 35mm F/2.8, Sun Optical 35mm F/2.8
Standard: Industar 50-2, Helios 44-2, Helios 44M, Helios 44M-3, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.4, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.7, Pentax-M 50mm F/2, Ricoh 50mm F/1.7, Chinon 50mm F/1.7
Tele: Pentacon 135mm F/2.8, Pentacon 200mm F/3.5, Optomax 200mm f/3.5, Sun Optical 135mm F/3.5, Soligor 350mm F/5.6
Zoom: Tokina 28-70mm f/3.5-4.5 SZ-X270 SD, Sigma Zoom Pi 35-200mm F4-5.6, Sun Optical 28-80mm F/3.5-4.5, Sunagor 80-205mm F/3.8, Tokina RMC 80-200mm F/4, Vivitar 70-150mm F/3.8, Tamron 95-205mm F/6.3, Tamron Adaptall 28-200mm F/3.8-5.6 LD Aspherical, Tokina RMC 70-210mm F/3.5
Mirror: Falcon (Samyang) 800mm F/8, MTO-11CA 1000mm F/10, Tamron Adaptall 2 500mm F/8
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Pancolart
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Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
fatdeeman wrote: |
I took this lens down to the where we keep the horse the other day, the glowing effect wide open and at the long end is actually quite pleasant!
I think it could definitely be quite good for portraits, I would have had someone stood near the rope on the fence ideally but the wife was busy doing horse stuff
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