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Sony A7r, gamechanger, to be announced Wed
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
note to self - start saving now.


PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
ZoneV wrote:
I don´t like Sony as a camera manufacturer (but I like their sensors). And I don´t like the design of the camera, the EOS 5D.

? EOS 5D? what does a design of a Canon camera have to do with Sony?


PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
WolverineX wrote:
ZoneV wrote:
I don´t like Sony as a camera manufacturer (but I like their sensors). And I don´t like the design of the camera, the EOS 5D.

? EOS 5D? what does a design of a Canon camera have to do with Sony?

+1
Sorry, I don't understand why you speak about the 5D, what you mean.


PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Olivier wrote:
WolverineX wrote:
ZoneV wrote:
I don´t like Sony as a camera manufacturer (but I like their sensors). And I don´t like the design of the camera, the EOS 5D.

? EOS 5D? what does a design of a Canon camera have to do with Sony?

+1
Sorry, I don't understand why you speak about the 5D, what you mean.


Yes, why do you mention 5D?


PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote







touchscreen?


PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
oh, this looks good, I must admit that layout and grip look better than I had expected
I specially like the 'new' location of the loupe = magnification button, Sony seems to have had manual lens users in their mind!

Personally I love EVF to be articulating, but well, one can't have it all. Would have loved if it was as big as that of the OM-1, it's not, but i read that 0.71x at 100% coverage on FF is identical to A99 and 5DIII. I don't mind the slow 1.5 resp. 2.5 FPS which is what many lament: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3561110 otherwise specs look great

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It seems the special micro lens design on the edge is only found on A7R...


PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I just ordered the A7r! Very Happy

Feels like Christmas eve! Very Happy Very Happy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnvgceTEV3c#t=866


PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Biggest downsides: poor FPS, Loud shutter, and not great AF.

Upside: looks like the ulitimate MF glass body to date. Every reason to expect it will out shoot the M240 with all RF glass. Sony says its the sharpest Alpha ever by far.

I do hate loud shutters and I like a good burst, but I'm in.

Nice review here
http://www.imaging-resource.com/camera-reviews/sony/a7r/


PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Would the VNex system work on the A7r ?


PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
calvin83 wrote:
It seems the special micro lens design on the edge is only found on A7R...


If so Sony reversed their strategy from NEX5N and NEX7. The 5N had the micro lens design better for adapted lenses ( well, RF wide angles ) while the higher MP count and more expensive NEX7 did not. To me that had made sense as the trinavi and otherwise 'superior' access to setting of the NEX7 made more sense with native lenses and added little to MF users and I thought that MF users may opt for the economical choice and prefer the articulating EVF.
Sales might have taught them that there are quite a few users that use expensive RF glass on their NEX and that manual lens users rather opt for the top offering. Now the higher MP and more expensive A7R has the micro lenses and interestingly only contrast-detect AF while the cheaper A7 offers Hybrid AF.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nice field test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnvgceTEV3c


PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
kuuan wrote:
calvin83 wrote:
It seems the special micro lens design on the edge is only found on A7R...


If so Sony reversed their strategy from NEX5N and NEX7. The 5N had the micro lens design better for adapted lenses ( well, RF wide angles ) while the higher MP count and more expensive NEX7 did not. To me that had made sense as the trinavi and otherwise 'superior' access to setting of the NEX7 made more sense with native lenses and added little to MF users and I thought that MF users may opt for the economical choice and prefer the articulating EVF.
Sales might have taught them that there are quite a few users that use expensive RF glass on their NEX and that manual lens users rather opt for the top offering. Now the higher MP and more expensive A7R has the micro lenses and interestingly only contrast-detect AF while the cheaper A7 offers Hybrid AF.

From the feature page on Sony Japanese site, the offset microlenses feature is missing on the A7. As you said, the A7R is target for users need higher image quality(4FPS) and the A7 is targeted for user need faster AF and more FPS(5FPS).

http://www.sony.jp/ichigan/products/ILCE-7R/feature_1.html

http://www.sony.jp/ichigan/products/ILCE-7/feature_1.html


PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
a7r on my priority list.

looks awesome with grip.
should feel better than 5n too.


PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
If A7R has a touch screen like the 5N, it will be even better. Check also the samples from the camera. The Sonnar T＊ FE 55mm F1.8 ZA seems perform very well as a portrait lens with good sharpness and smooth bokeh!

http://www.sony.jp/ichigan/products/ILCE-7R/photo-sample.html
http://www.sony.jp/ichigan/products/ILCE-7/photo-sample.html

Sonnar T＊ FE 55mm F1.8 ZA
http://www.sony.jp/ichigan/products/SEL55F18Z/feature_1.html


PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh, yeah.... My precious... Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

Wow, this will be a completely new world for me, my lenses will act very different on FF compared to my OM-D

Now suddenly 25mm is a wideangle! Looking forward to pair my RF lenses up! Razz

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
calvin83 wrote:
kuuan wrote:
calvin83 wrote:
It seems the special micro lens design on the edge is only found on A7R...


If so Sony reversed their strategy from NEX5N and NEX7. ....Now the higher MP and more expensive A7R has the micro lenses and interestingly only contrast-detect AF while the cheaper A7 offers Hybrid AF.

From the feature page on Sony Japanese site, the offset microlenses feature is missing on the A7. As you said, the A7R is target for users need higher image quality(4FPS) and the A7 is targeted for user need faster AF and more FPS(5FPS).

http://www.sony.jp/ichigan/products/ILCE-7R/feature_1.html

http://www.sony.jp/ichigan/products/ILCE-7/feature_1.html


right. also the A7R had no AA filter, the A7 does have AA filter.
the guy in the youtube movie linked by Nordentro also very well defines how these difference in features targets different users.
samples look very good. according to specs at imaging resource both don't have touch screen


PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well I actually hate the touch on my 5n, I've disabled quite immediately


PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rick1779 wrote:
Well I actually hate the touch on my 5n, I've disabled quite immediately


Me too, on my OM-D, I never use it Wink


PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
i use touch screen to directly navigate to digital zoom area for fine focus.
got used to it, hard to live without.


PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nordentro wrote:
Rick1779 wrote:
Well I actually hate the touch on my 5n, I've disabled quite immediately


Me too, on my OM-D, I never use it Wink


Hardly have been using the one on my 5N, however whenever I take photos of kids on the streets in Asia and they then review the results, they always use the touch screen to scroll, and much more effectively so than I ever have learned to Wink

hoanpham wrote:
i use touch screen to directly navigate to digital zoom area for fine focus.
got used to it, hard to live without.


right, very useful, very practical! for me personally less so for I pretty much always use the EVF, but imo certainly better to have it than not to have it!


PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnvgceTEV3c
Watch this review , Host uses Leica manual lens on the new A7/A7r


PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, I have just programed a button to magnified view on my OM-D and I use the wheel on the front to scroll true pictures Wink


PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Video from B&H!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAP9guj8JTI
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