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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:05 pm    Post subject: Some optimist ? Reply with quote
What do you think about this one: Click here to see on Ebay ?

Veijo


PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'll take two Shocked Shocked Shocked


PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi Veijo
He is from Vantaa, not far from you
You could ask him to try before buy, test it and return it because it's too expensive

seller wrote:
I apologize for the high BIN price. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure what to expect, so I'll take offers and pick the best one (which, I suppose, is the whole idea in a best-offer sale)


PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I hope you are in good relationships with Santa Claus or having a deeply in love wife Cool


PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Some optimist ? Reply with quote
vilva wrote:
What do you think about this one: Click here to see on Ebay ?
Veijo


I think that this is a piece of photography history, and that is lucky the man who can afford to get it.
To all this lens a wide angle, I must assume it's for large format. But finding the correct register distance would probably require quite some trial and error.
If there is one thing that is sure, is that a lens like this one should belong to you, as you are one of the very few people who can actually revive it.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Some optimist ? Reply with quote
Orio wrote:

I think that this is a piece of photography history, and that is lucky the man who can afford to get it.
To all this lens a wide angle, I must assume it's for large format. But finding the correct register distance would probably require quite some trial and error.
If there is one thing that is sure, is that a lens like this one should belong to you, as you are one of the very few people who can actually revive it.


Dagors are very good lenses and in no way history yet, but that price is completely insane, you can get better ones at a fraction of that price. It is a WA stopped down but not quite so wide when used at larger apertures. These lenses were used with bellows so there would be no problem with the register distance. Some day I might buy a Dagor, but I sure ain't gonna pay even a twentieth of that price. Until then I'll buy lenses which cost UKP 10 or so, like this one Click here to see on Ebay, which I bought to-day.

Veijo


PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Some optimist ? Reply with quote
vilva wrote:
It is a WA stopped down but not quite so wide when used at larger apertures.


I'm not sure to understand this part.


PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dagor: derived from "Doppelanastigmat Goerz"
First calculated in 1892 by Emil von Höegh (Deutsches Reichspatent Nr. 74.437)

C.P.Goerz was taken over by Zeiss Ikon AG and stopped to produce lenses in Berlin. Some successful lens designs have been continued in Jena, e.g. the Dagor.
A small series was produced until 1977.
Carl Zeiss has produced about 5.700 lenses of this type, with focal lengths between 75 and 240mm.
They were even experimenting with a wide angle lens for the Contax with this design.

(Source: Hartmut Thiele, "Carl Zeiss Jena", 2007)

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Some optimist ? Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
vilva wrote:
It is a WA stopped down but not quite so wide when used at larger apertures.


I'm not sure to understand this part.


Quite many LF lenses have a wider usable FOV when stopped down. E.g. this Dagor has an angle of view of 100 degrees at f/45 but certainly not at the the maximum aperture of f/9. It was intended to be used stopped down, and the full aperture was used for focusing as f/45 is pretty dim on the ground glass.

Veijo


PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Some optimist ? Reply with quote
vilva wrote:

Quite many LF lenses have a wider usable FOV when stopped down.


I had no idea. Well, every day you learn something new!


PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:56 am    Post subject: Re: Some optimist ? Reply with quote
vilva wrote:
Until then I'll buy lenses which cost UKP 10 or so, like this one Click here to see on Ebay, which I bought to-day.


Congrats on this bargain lens, Veijo. I must say that Wray lenses have the worst reputation in the field of large format lenses. Knowing your skills, it means that you should be able to make great pictures with this one Laughing

Cheers,

Abbazz


PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Veijo wrote: Until then I'll buy lenses which cost UKP 10 or so, like this one Click here to see on Ebay, which I bought to-day.

What a beautiful piece of work! I assume you are going to find a way to mount it on your 5D? Cool


PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:40 am    Post subject: Re: Some optimist ? Reply with quote
Abbazz wrote:
vilva wrote:
Until then I'll buy lenses which cost UKP 10 or so, like this one Click here to see on Ebay, which I bought to-day.


Congrats on this bargain lens, Veijo. I must say that Wray lenses have the worst reputation in the field of large format lenses.


Thanks. Well, first of all, I'm not using the lens for LF work, just a tiny fraction from the best part of the usable image circle. Secondly, this is an old one, probably not one of those the reputation is based on. The Lustrar is a four element anastigmat, either four separate lenses or a variation of the Tessar theme, there are both around, and they aren't easy to tell apart. Either one will probably be sharp enough, but the 1+1+1+1 will have a lower contrast due to two more air-to-glass surfaces - this is the one I'd prefer in this case, a new signature, a different character, new possibilities.

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Knowing your skills, it means that you should be able to make great pictures with this one Laughing


In a way, it is easier to work with a lens which is just decent or even decently bad than with a great lens. First of all, one can concentrate on photography, not on proving the greatness of the lens. Secondly, a great lens can be very boring, and the greatness can be distracting just like colour is sometimes distracting compared to B&W, looking at a photo taken with a great lens one perhaps doesn't see the forest for the trees. I often think that with a great lens one must be a much better photographer to dominate the lens, to express oneself past the lens. An opto-technically perfect photo is very easily only that and nothing more, a soulless thing, which one quickly gets tired of - meniscus photos are the ones to hang on walls.

Veijo


PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Laurence wrote:
Veijo wrote: Until then I'll buy lenses which cost UKP 10 or so, like this one Click here to see on Ebay, which I bought to-day.

What a beautiful piece of work!


Yeah Smile

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I assume you are going to find a way to mount it on your 5D? Cool


No problem. It is a small lens, and I'll just fix it on an M42 extension ring for mounting on the bellows.

Veijo


PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Veijo wrote:

An opto-technically perfect photo is very easily only that and nothing more, a soulless thing, which one quickly gets tired of...

Great words...
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