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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:50 pm Post subject: Soligor (Tokina?) 350/5.6 T-mount preset |
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luisalegria wrote:
Yet another old preset, purchased for the usual nominal price from ebay. This one looks like it was used hard -
I think it might be a Tokina, there are certainly Tokina lenses from the old preset lens series that were sold as Soligors, and this lens has many points of style that are like that old Tokina series, many construction details are identical, down to the placement of screw holes in the diaphragm mechanism, the style of the lettering, etc. The only detail thats off is the focus indicator mark is a circle instead of the usual triangle.
So I'm not certain if it is actually made by Tokyo Koki/Tokina, but if it isn't someone copied the mechanism very closely.
Soligor (Allied Impex) had great negotiating power in those days (1960's), as it was the biggest third-party lens distributor. Apparently it was able to arrange for several vendors to make what it considered a complete range of prime lenses, including odd sizes like 250mm, 350mm and 450mm. So now one can find several styles of each of these odd focal lengths in the Soligor brand, each from a different manufacturer, all of whom probably made them only for Soligor.
Its the usual simple design with the helical in front of the diaphragm and rotating front elements. It shares the same fault as the other Tokina lenses of this type in that it has a very long minimum focus, 25ft/8m in this case. Otherwise its the usual good quality, solid construction for third-party Japanese lenses from the 1960's. Other than scratches and wear this lens is perfectly functional, which is common for that Tokina line. Unlike some other makes the helical and diaphragm seldom go wrong in these. The filter size is 72mm. It probably came with a dedicated hood, but I don't have that, though going by what I know these were usually inadequate. These things are easily lost.
Performance is excellent. This lens is sharp at f/5.6, it doesn't suffer from flare, it can shoot backlit with no issues.
Some shots with extension rings - a necessity with this lens.
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Nice shots. Again!
I believe I have the same lens with the dot. Mine doesn't focus to infinity which is weird... _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Nice , really nice! _________________ -------------------------------
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hinnerker
Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Posts: 929 Location: Germany near Kiel
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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hinnerker wrote:
Great Performance for an old 3rd party lens..... whow.
Will have a look on that lens..
greetz
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fatdeeman
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 780 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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fatdeeman wrote:
The quality looks great!
I have a newer version of this lens and it disappoints optically, I keep meaning to sell it on and try and get an older version as they seem to perform much better. |
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Big Dawg
Joined: 28 Jan 2009 Posts: 2530 Location: Thach Alabama
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:06 am Post subject: |
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Big Dawg wrote:
I had one several years ago almost exactly like that in a 350mm version as well. It had a CASPECO brand on it for Camera Specialty Company.I wonder if they are the same? Really nice photos there. Sharp with very good color and contrast. _________________ Big Dawg |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:14 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Hi Ed,
The old preset Tokinas were also sold under the Caspeco brand, I have one of the 200/4.5's
So your old 350 might certainly have been on of these. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:18 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Hi Fatdeeman,
I think I know the series you mean - its the presets with the chrome ring and the satin-finish or flat paint ?
I have had no luck with these too. I have had a couple that were very poor. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:07 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I had one of those presets with the silver flash, a 200/4.5, I thought it looked lovely but the images produced were soft and low resolution. The newer automatic lenses looking much the same are of far higher quality. _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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fatdeeman
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 780 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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fatdeeman wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
Hi Fatdeeman,
I think I know the series you mean - its the presets with the chrome ring and the satin-finish or flat paint ?
I have had no luck with these too. I have had a couple that were very poor. |
Yes that's the one, It's not bad for web sized stuff at F8 but on close inspection it's pretty soft and has quite a lot of CA, the older versions seem to do much better, even wide open!
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Wow ! Thats a great shot !
Thats with one of the old Soligors ?
You were on a hill looking down ? _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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fatdeeman
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 780 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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fatdeeman wrote:
No that's with the newer one, it looks a lot less impressive as a 100% crop!
I live in a valley hence the backdrop is a hill/mountain so it looks like I was higher up than I really was....
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fatdeeman
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 780 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:11 am Post subject: |
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fatdeeman wrote:
I have managed to get hold of one of those models now, it's much better wide open than the later version is at F/8!
It came with a metal hood too, I'll make a post about it when I have some good weather! |
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marcusBMG
Joined: 07 Dec 2012 Posts: 1318 Location: Conwy N Wales
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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marcusBMG wrote:
My example of this lens has a Cunor nameplate.
Is it a tokina? The tripod ring is distinctively tokina like, the lens has marked similarities with eg the tokina made soligor 400mm f6.3, the tokina made 300mm f5.5's (soligor vivitar etc). And it has the faux 47mm t-mount that is associated essentially exclusively with a few tokina made lenses from the 1960's like the "stovepipe" tokyo koki and innumerable other marques 400mm f6.3. But I would have expected a tokina origin to have left examples under tokina/tokyo koki nameplates, and internet searches show nothing. Only soligor mainly, plus the odd one under other names like mine.
I'll do a comparison with the tamron made 350mm f5.6 which I also have. _________________ pentax ME super (retired)
Pentax K3-ii; pentax K-S2; Samsung NX 20; Lumix G1 + adapters;
Adaptall collection (proliferating!) inc 200-500mm 31A, 300mm f2.8, 400mm f4.
Primes: takumar 55mm; smc 28mm, 50mm; kino/komine 28mm f2's, helios 58mm, Tamron Nestar 400mm, novoflex 400mm, Vivitar 135mm close focus, 105mm macro; Jupiter 11A; CZJ 135mm.
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marcusBMG
Joined: 07 Dec 2012 Posts: 1318 Location: Conwy N Wales
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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marcusBMG wrote:
I have now done some test pics.
The test pics of the musselmens raft were inconclusive due to inconsistencies, suffice to say results were similar. And both lenses took similar pics of the jackdaws and gulls on Conwy quayside (cunor top, samsung NX20, f11 same pp - contrast bumped and resized images sharpened):
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Current state of play: the tamron made soligor is edging it, slightly better resolution IMO but most specifically because of it's much superior close focus: 3.5mm approx vs 6.6m measured mfd. However I did manage to reduce that to ~4m by unscrewing the stop screw on the focus sleeve on the Cunor. _________________ pentax ME super (retired)
Pentax K3-ii; pentax K-S2; Samsung NX 20; Lumix G1 + adapters;
Adaptall collection (proliferating!) inc 200-500mm 31A, 300mm f2.8, 400mm f4.
Primes: takumar 55mm; smc 28mm, 50mm; kino/komine 28mm f2's, helios 58mm, Tamron Nestar 400mm, novoflex 400mm, Vivitar 135mm close focus, 105mm macro; Jupiter 11A; CZJ 135mm.
A classic zoom or two: VS1 (komine), Kiron Zoomlock... |
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marcusBMG
Joined: 07 Dec 2012 Posts: 1318 Location: Conwy N Wales
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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marcusBMG wrote:
Using my own suggested trick of unscrewing the stop screw on the focus sleeve to get closer focus enabled me to get some better pics of the gulls, and some more pics of the jackdaws. These at f8 I think.
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Overall a good lens IMO. _________________ pentax ME super (retired)
Pentax K3-ii; pentax K-S2; Samsung NX 20; Lumix G1 + adapters;
Adaptall collection (proliferating!) inc 200-500mm 31A, 300mm f2.8, 400mm f4.
Primes: takumar 55mm; smc 28mm, 50mm; kino/komine 28mm f2's, helios 58mm, Tamron Nestar 400mm, novoflex 400mm, Vivitar 135mm close focus, 105mm macro; Jupiter 11A; CZJ 135mm.
A classic zoom or two: VS1 (komine), Kiron Zoomlock... |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7795 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
Nothing wrong with that, great images. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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