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Soligor 1:2.8 f=28mm -- 21+ Versions
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

visualopsins wrote:
Does the fixed NI mount 175xxxxx have 58mm or 62mm filter size? And is closest focus 0.3m or 0.4m? If 58mm, egads, are there SIX versions?

Sorry for the delay. It's 0.3m close focus, 58mm thread, 8 non-rounded iris blades, aperture range 2.8-16, weighs 270g, no M/A switch. I can't keep up with all the versions.


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovely work on Soligor codes. 17 definetly Tokina.

Here is my addition:

Sadly i have misplaced my Tokinas - they are just like first 8 from the left (27... excluded). Then there are similar models on right. Porst the same as Berolina (though without Minolta stick). Yashikor, Upsilon, Sigma very similar.






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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

luisalegria wrote:
Some of my Soligors -

55-135 T4 - 171xxxxx
400/6.3 T4 - 171xxxxx
250/4.5 T4 - 171xxxxx
24/2.8 T4 - 172xxxxx
35/2.8 T4 - 167xxxx (note:7 instead of 8 digits)
28/2.8 T4 - 168xxxx
21/3.8 T4 - 176xxxxx

250/4.5 T - H32xxx

ALL my Tamron-made (or look like early Tamrons) Soligors start with T-


105/2.8 T4 - 169xxxx - this is consistent with the above series... so if the 2nd and 3rd digits are the year, what happened in 1970, did we go to 8 digits?


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

walter g wrote:

I'm interested in both Sun lenses, and Soligor lenses, besides others. This is a pet project. I read every post that comes up on Soligor or Sun on multiple forums. I also read the old posts, and study lenses that are posted on Ebay.

First H is not Komine. I have a H code lens that is definately not made by Komine.
I don't know what the H means, but it was used by Soligor, Vemar, and Sun. I have seen examples of each.

1= Tokina. That is very possible. The popular opinion is it was a 2 digit code. 16 and 17. I will do more reaserch to try to prove or disprove it.
2= Sun, again possible. More reaserch required.

About the year of man. Dosen't work out on the lenses I own. But whether they changed dating methods thru production is possible.

They did use some 2 digit codes. I'm sure 38 is one of the Sun Codes.


Several years ago I saved images of Soligors from online auctions in the same pursuit as you. I have a file of about 250 images, almost all with serials. I have similar files for Vivitar and other brand lenses. I went back and reviewed them after my previous post. My revised opinions on the serials.

H = Tokina. It appears on many non Soligor lenses with Tokina characteristics.
16 = Tokina
17 = Tokina
27 = Sun

I'm going to back away from my statement that positions two and three are year of manufacture but not completely abandon it!


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Consolidating here information obtained so far.

Threads:

http://forum.mflenses.com/what-make-is-this-soligor-lens-t30444.html
http://forum.mflenses.com/soligor-12-8-f28mm-five-generations-t30866.html (this thread)

Listing of 2.8/28 Soligor examples:

mount, serial # prefix, closest focus distance, diaphragm operation, color of distance scale in feet, owner

T2, 'H68', 0.45m, preset, org (visualopsins)

CS, '168', 0.45m, auto, yel (visualopsins)

T4, '168', ????m, ????, ??? (luisalgeria)
T4, '169', 0.45m, auto, grn (visualopsins)
T4, '171', 0.3m, auto, grn (visualosins)
T4, '171', 0.3m, auto, grn (Pancolart)
T4, '175', 0.3m, auto, ??? (RioRico)
T4, '176', 0.3m, auto, grn (Mo)

FL, '171', 0.3m, auto, yel (Scheimpflug)
42, '17?', 0.3m, auto, yel (Pancolart)
42, '173', 0.3m, auto, grn (Kathmandu)

NI, '276', 0.4m, auto, grn (visualopsins)
42, '276', 0.4m, auto, grn (Kathmandu)
PK, '277', ???m, auto, grn (Pancolart)

Looks like begining in 1971 (maybe 1970) Soligor sold 0.3m closest-focus both T4 Tokinas & fixed-mount Komines(?), i.e. lenses from 2(?) manufacturers.

We have discovered the first number/letter of serial indicates manufacturer, the next two digits are year 19xx of manufacture; does this also indicate T4 & fixed-mount 1nn lenses are both Tokina?

@Pancolart, need serial # of top left soligor, and is bottom left lens a soligor? (And I thought I had LBA Smile)


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jup, both are Soligors, upper left also 17... Lower left has FL mount (others on left side M42). Missing 27... mount is Pentax PK but scale color green not yellow.

LBA, yes Smile just finishing new wardrobes to store little addictive glass.


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG... you guys are terrible! Laughing
15 lenses of the same model. Surprised


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Added mine to the list.


Listing of 2.8/28 Soligor examples:

mount, serial # prefix, closest focus distance, diaphragm operation, color of distance scale in feet, owner

T2, 'H63', 0.45m, preset, org (walter g)

T2, 'H68', 0.45m, preset, org (visualopsins)

CS, '168', 0.45m, auto, yel (visualopsins)

T4, '168', ????m, ????, ??? (luisalgeria)
T4, '169', 0.45m, auto, grn (visualopsins)
T4, '171', 0.3m, auto, grn (visualosins)
T4, '171', 0.3m, auto, grn (Pancolart)
T4, '175', 0.3m, auto, ??? (RioRico)
T4, '176', 0.3m, auto, grn (Mo)

FL, '171', 0.3m, auto, yel (Scheimpflug)
42, '17?', 0.3m, auto, yel (Pancolart)
42, '173', 0.3m, auto, grn (Kathmandu)

NI, '276', 0.4m, auto, grn (visualopsins)
42, '276', 0.4m, auto, grn (Kathmandu)
PK, '277', ???m, auto, grn (Pancolart)

Looks like begining in 1971 (maybe 1970) Soligor sold 0.3m closest-focus both T4 Tokinas & fixed-mount Komines(?), i.e. lenses from 2(?) manufacturers.

We have discovered the first number/letter of serial indicates manufacturer, the next two digits are year 19xx of manufacture; does this also indicate T4 & fixed-mount 1nn lenses are both Tokina?


PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soligor 135mm 2.8, lower case writing with stylised 'g', T4 mount. Serial number M1639**. Made in Japan.



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding the 5 lenses shown in the first post, I reckon there's gotta be at least one more. Probably very similar to the far right one, but with the Soligor-patterned rubberized grip.


PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

visualopsins wrote:
mount, serial # prefix, closest focus distance, diaphragm operation, color of distance scale in feet, owner
...
T4, '175', 0.3m, auto, ??? (RioRico)

correction/update:

NI, '175', 0.3m, auto, grn (RioRico)

Here is the updated list. Perhaps it needs re-sorting.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Listing of 2.8/28 Soligor examples:

mount, serial # prefix, closest focus distance, diaphragm operation, color of distance scale in feet, owner

T2, 'H63', 0.45m, preset, org (walter g)
T2, 'H68', 0.45m, preset, org (visualopsins)

CS, '168', 0.45m, auto, yel (visualopsins)

T4, '168', ????m, ????, ??? (luisalgeria)

T4, '169', 0.45m, auto, grn (visualopsins)

T4, '171', 0.3m, auto, grn (visualosins)
T4, '171', 0.3m, auto, grn (Pancolart)
NI, '175', 0.3m, auto, grn (RioRico)
42, '173', 0.3m, auto, grn (Kathmandu)
T4, '176', 0.3m, auto, grn (Mo)

FL, '171', 0.3m, auto, yel (Scheimpflug)
42, '17?', 0.3m, auto, yel (Pancolart)

NI, '276', 0.4m, auto, grn (visualopsins)
42, '276', 0.4m, auto, grn (Kathmandu)
PK, '277', ???m, auto, grn (Pancolart)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

This exercise prompted me to check my other lenses, and behold! I may have a cousin here, looking very much like Pancolart's Upsilon. It's badged as Vivitar. Odd -- although it's just 10g lighter than my NI Soligor, it 'feels' less hefty, less dense. I haven't fondled enough comparable 28's or Soligors to know if this is significant. Anyway, the lens:

Around the front: AUTO Vivitar WIDE-ANGLE 28mm 1:2.8 No. 3718742

Other: T4 (M42) auto, cf= 0.3m, Meter= red, Feet= white, min-app= f/16, thread= 52mm, weight= 260g.


PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weight difference! T4 '169' is 238g and '171' is 236g. I suppose a small additional element might weigh 2g; that or optical re-design shaved 2g off total elements weight. (no time for photo comparison yet Sad)


PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

* UPDATED* H7 added
Soligor Codes

1 = Tokina
2 = Sun
3 = Sun
6 = Komine
H6 = Komine
H7= Tokina
H37 = Kawanon?


PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re: 'H' serial number prefixes

I wonder if the 'H' stands for Hoya, that Allied Impex subcontracted Hoya who then subcontracted with various manufacturers Sun, Komine, Tokina, etc.? Could explain the many manufacturers and brands of 'H' serial prefix lenses.


PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

visualopsins wrote:
Re: 'H' serial number prefixes

I wonder if the 'H' stands for Hoya, that Allied Impex subcontracted Hoya who then subcontracted with various manufacturers Sun, Komine, Tokina, etc.? Could explain the many manufacturers and brands of 'H' serial prefix lenses.


That would make sense.

H prefix brands:
Focal
Soligor
Sun
Vemar

Anyone know of any other H prefix lenses?


PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Lentar Automount lenses have H serials.


PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you.
Updated list.
H prefix brands:

Lentar
Focal
Soligor
Sun
Vemar

Anyone know of any other H prefix lenses?


PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

walter g wrote:
Thank you.
Updated list.
H prefix brands:

Lentar
Focal
Soligor
Sun
Vemar

Anyone know of any other H prefix lenses?


I have a 35mm/2.8 Soligor preset that starts with H48xxx. It is an m42 mount.


PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue wrote:
walter g wrote:
Thank you.
Updated list.
H prefix brands:

Lentar
Focal
Soligor
Sun
Vemar

Anyone know of any other H prefix lenses?


I have a 35mm/2.8 Soligor preset that starts with H48xxx. It is an m42 mount.


Thanks Blue! Cool M42 mount makes the generation count 6. Can we see a photo please? Is it the same body as the H6 Komine preset leftmost in first post second photo? The H6 is a T-mount with T-M42 adapter.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also have the Soligor 135/2.8 H667*** M42 mount Tele-Auto

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Soligor 300mm f5.5 in M42 mount with the serial number 312831. Can anyone tell me who manufactured this lens?


PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DigiChromeEd wrote:
I have a Soligor 300mm f5.5 in M42 mount with the serial number 312831. Can anyone tell me who manufactured this lens?

From 5th post in this thread
walter g wrote:
37 = Kawanon ?
38 = Sun
Sun? A photo of lens would be helpful.


PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mo wrote:
I also have the Soligor 135/2.8 H667*** M42 mount Tele-Auto


Komine


PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

visualopsins wrote:
DigiChromeEd wrote:
I have a Soligor 300mm f5.5 in M42 mount with the serial number 312831. Can anyone tell me who manufactured this lens?

From 5th post in this thread
walter g wrote:
37 = Kawanon ?
38 = Sun
Sun? A photo of lens would be helpful.


Here is the lens:




PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now let's make this mess even bigger (or possibly clearfy something).

I found 2 more 28mm in my tobecleaned box. Serial # starting with 77 and 27. They could easily be put into same family then big&heavy zoom 4.5/70-235, one of my favorite wides 3.8/21mm, and really good built 5.5/300mm serial: 17107973, much more fat version (compared to Edgars). All family on 5th photo.

Let me add two more. Later MC 4.5/300mm (left side of photo 6). Serial 37... (this one looks the same as all C/D series - i also have 200mm and 400mm). And finally funny slim T2 #H76... Second from the right on last photo. Anyway Soligor rocks Smile!