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Niko
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 Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: SLR with Aperture Priority - how about Minolta x-700? |
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Hello,
my second post on this forum   . I'm looking to get an SLR body which would support Aperture Priority with any m42 lenses. Will a Minolta x-700 with a m42 to md adapter offer that? Or will Av only work with Minolta lenses? Seems this camera uses commonly available LR44 batteries, which is kinda comforting.
Should I go for it, or do you guys have better suggestions? A camera with "native" m42 would be a bit easier, but I dont really know what models to look after  .
Thank you for your help
-Nikolay |
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peterqd
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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The X-700 with MD lenses can control both the shutter speed and aperture, so it has both Av and Tv modes as well as manual. With an M42 lens you'll lose open aperture metering, but with the lens stopped down the camera will still work in Av and Manual modes. It can't control the aperture, so Tv mode won't operate.
You can also use M42 lenses in stopped-down mode on Pentax cameras using an adapter. The K2 with mirror lock-up and DOF preview is my fav, but an MX or ME Super, for example, are easier to find. All of them will work in Av mode.
For M42 cameras with AE you could look at the Fujica ST701 or 801, or the Chinon CE-3. The Chinon uses the shutter release button to close down the aperture for DOF preview, like the early Prakticas. I'm waiting for a nice one to show up myself
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Russian - J9, J21, J37A, M1v, M24m, I50-2, H44m-4 Vega12
Takumar 3.5/28, 3.5/35, 1.4/50(x2), 1.8/55, 1.9/85, 3.5/135 - Vivitar 2.8/28
K-mount : Pentax-M 2.8/28, 1.7/50 - Tamron zooms :SP28-80, SP35-80, SP60-300, 80-210
DSLR:Canon 400D 35mm SLR: Pentax Spotmatic SP, SPII(x2), SPF, ESII, K2, ME Super, P30 - Chinon CE3 - Minolta XG-M - Praktica Nova 1B, PLC2
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montecarlo
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| peterqd wrote: | ...
You can also use M42 lenses in stopped-down mode on Pentax cameras using an adapter. The K2 with mirror lock-up and DOF preview is my fav, but an MX or ME Super, for example, are easier to find. All of them will work in Av mode.
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Cheaper than these are the Pentax P50 and P30t/n cameras. Even more cheaper are the Ricoh and Chinon (K pentax ones) and some Cosina (Miranda, Exakta, Petri, Vivitar, ... etc.. relabeled cameras) cameras which incorporates Av mode too, besides M mode.
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Niko
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Thank you for your answers .
Is there a possibility to have Av with an m42 lens wide open on a film camera (I'm a really newbie  )? How far down should the lens be stopped in order to use Av?
Also curious about the Chinon ce-3, how does it close down the aperture on fully manual lenses? 
Thanks again, hope these arent too noobish questions |
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montecarlo
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| Niko wrote: | Thank you for your answers .
Is there a possibility to have Av with an m42 lens wide open on a film camera (I'm a really newbie )? How far down should the lens be stopped in order to use Av?
Also curious about the Chinon ce-3, how does it close down the aperture on fully manual lenses?
Thanks again, hope these arent too noobish questions |
The camera works like this (with M42 lenses in Av mode):
1. You close the diaphragm to a value (let's say f:5.6) . When I say close it means that you actually see the closed diaphragm (set the swich of the lens to position M, if the lens have one). The camera measures the light hitting the light sensor and makes the calculations for establihing the right exposure time according the amount of light measured by the cell (light sensor inside the camera). Every time you select a diferent value of the diaphragm, the camera makes the calculations and sets the right shutter speed ( or exposure time ; is the same) accordingly the amount of light entering the lens.
2. Chinon CE-3 works different. The lenses are set to A position (the swich). You set the aperture and in the moment of the shot the camera pushes the aperture pin on the M42 lenses, closes the diaphragm, measures the light, calculates the exposure time, sets the shutter speed and fires the shutter.
On fully manual lenses (without the aperture pin) you just set the aperture and thats all. You will be the one who closes it not the camera.
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Ricoh XR7, Ricoh KR10, Petri MC 28mm f:2 , Chinon MC 28mm f:2.8 , smc Pentax-M 50mm f:1.7, Ricoh 50mm f:1.7 , Soligor T 135mm f:2.8 , smc Pentax-M 75-150mm f:4
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Niko
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks a lot for the explanations, I even understood all of it  .
Saw a good deal for a minolta X 700 with some accessories, so I pulled the trigger. Cant wait to get it and start shooting .
Take care,
nikolay |
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lulalake
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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For your next Av body, consider the Canon AL-1. I use it with a M42 adapter. Very inexpensive.
Jules
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peterqd
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| lulalake wrote: | For your next Av body, consider the Canon AL-1. I use it with a M42 adapter. Very inexpensive.
Jules |
That's interesting. I was thinking of suggesting a Canon FD body, but I wasn't sure whether M42/FD adapters are available. Now I know! Thanks
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Russian - J9, J21, J37A, M1v, M24m, I50-2, H44m-4 Vega12
Takumar 3.5/28, 3.5/35, 1.4/50(x2), 1.8/55, 1.9/85, 3.5/135 - Vivitar 2.8/28
K-mount : Pentax-M 2.8/28, 1.7/50 - Tamron zooms :SP28-80, SP35-80, SP60-300, 80-210
DSLR:Canon 400D 35mm SLR: Pentax Spotmatic SP, SPII(x2), SPF, ESII, K2, ME Super, P30 - Chinon CE3 - Minolta XG-M - Praktica Nova 1B, PLC2
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Niko
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| lulalake wrote: | For your next Av body, consider the Canon AL-1. I use it with a M42 adapter. Very inexpensive.
Jules |
Will do . Hopefully I dont end up owning too much equipment tho  |
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nemesis101
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: Minolta x-700 |
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Be VERY careful. These cameras are notorious (I now discover to my cost, well not really as got 100% refund put P.I.T.A.) for failing capacitors. The meters work but the film advance does not. there are two, and one can be replaced in 15 minutes as it is under the bottom plate in full view, the other.. well best forget it unless you have 15 fingers none thicker than 3mm.... I'd stick (if you go the Minolta route) to the X-11D which has both AV and TV and is FAR more reliable...
Doug.
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lulalake
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| Niko wrote: | | lulalake wrote: | For your next Av body, consider the Canon AL-1. I use it with a M42 adapter. Very inexpensive.
Jules |
Will do . Hopefully I dont end up owning too much equipment tho |
Well, you will end up owning too much equipment.
Resistance is futile.
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Niko
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: Re: Minolta x-700 |
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| nemesis101 wrote: | Be VERY careful. These cameras are notorious (I now discover to my cost, well not really as got 100% refund put P.I.T.A.) for failing capacitors. The meters work but the film advance does not. there are two, and one can be replaced in 15 minutes as it is under the bottom plate in full view, the other.. well best forget it unless you have 15 fingers none thicker than 3mm.... I'd stick (if you go the Minolta route) to the X-11D which has both AV and TV and is FAR more reliable...
Doug. |
Well, I hope mine works alright - you know how it is, couldnt wait anymore, so I ordered it . It's supposed to be fine, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
PS that X-11D seems to be rarer, a quick search yielded no results. |
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peterqd
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Minolta x-700 |
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| Niko wrote: | | nemesis101 wrote: | Be VERY careful. These cameras are notorious (I now discover to my cost, well not really as got 100% refund put P.I.T.A.) for failing capacitors. The meters work but the film advance does not. there are two, and one can be replaced in 15 minutes as it is under the bottom plate in full view, the other.. well best forget it unless you have 15 fingers none thicker than 3mm.... I'd stick (if you go the Minolta route) to the X-11D which has both AV and TV and is FAR more reliable...
Doug. |
Well, I hope mine works alright - you know how it is, couldnt wait anymore, so I ordered it . It's supposed to be fine, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
PS that X-11D seems to be rarer, a quick search yielded no results. |
Niko, I think perhaps Doug meant the XD-11. I'm not sure where you are (perhaps you could update your profile please), but outside US (and perhaps Canada), this camera is known as an XD-7. I don't understand why, but manufacturers often have a different name for their cameras in the US to the rest of the world.
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Lenses: M42 - CZJ 2.8/20, 2.4/35, 1.8/50, 2.8/50, 3.5/135 - Meyer/Pentacon 1.8/50, 2.8/50, 2.8/135, 4/200
Russian - J9, J21, J37A, M1v, M24m, I50-2, H44m-4 Vega12
Takumar 3.5/28, 3.5/35, 1.4/50(x2), 1.8/55, 1.9/85, 3.5/135 - Vivitar 2.8/28
K-mount : Pentax-M 2.8/28, 1.7/50 - Tamron zooms :SP28-80, SP35-80, SP60-300, 80-210
DSLR:Canon 400D 35mm SLR: Pentax Spotmatic SP, SPII(x2), SPF, ESII, K2, ME Super, P30 - Chinon CE3 - Minolta XG-M - Praktica Nova 1B, PLC2
Rangefinder: Zorki-4, Beauty Light-o-matic III Medium Format: Yashica-Mat 124G |
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Niko
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:50 am Post subject: Re: Minolta x-700 |
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| peterqd wrote: |
I'm not sure where you are (perhaps you could update your profile please), but outside US (and perhaps Canada), this camera is known as an XD-7. |
Seems to be the XD-7 in Germany.
Updated my profile a tiny bit . Truth be told, I'm a huge newbie at photography, so I'm not really sure what to look for in equipment. I had read some good opinions on the X700, and it certainly wasnt expensive (20 euros with 2 lenses and an external flash) so I decided to go for it. If the photography bug keeps me, and when I gather some understanding, I guess I could enhance my equipment list.
I've had so many hobbies/interest, our apartment is full with all kind of crap from those different "stages". My girlfriend looks at me very carefully when I start talking a bit more often about something new. I was going to order a Pentax K200D, however decided to save that money (being a student abroad, gets tough ) and first try a film camera. I'd hate to spend 550+ euro for something which ends up collecting dust in a few months. I figured getting a film camera and several of the cheaper lenses (the ones recommended on this forum, this far I have the helios 44-2-m, have my eyes on a jupiter37) would bring me a lot more enjoyment and room for experimentation, at a fraction of the cost.
So, I hope I'm not boring you guys with easy questions, each start is hard as you know . I really appreciate your efforts to pass your knowledge on 
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peterqd
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: Minolta x-700 |
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| Niko wrote: | I'm a huge newbie at photography, so I'm not really sure what to look for in equipment. I had read some good opinions on the X700, and it certainly wasnt expensive (20 euros with 2 lenses and an external flash) so I decided to go for it. If the photography bug keeps me, and when I gather some understanding, I guess I could enhance my equipment list.
I've had so many hobbies/interest, our apartment is full with all kind of crap from those different "stages". My girlfriend looks at me very carefully when I start talking a bit more often about something new. I was going to order a Pentax K200D, however decided to save that money (being a student abroad, gets tough ) and first try a film camera. I'd hate to spend 550+ euro for something which ends up collecting dust in a few months. I figured getting a film camera and several of the cheaper lenses (the ones recommended on this forum, this far I have the helios 44-2-m, have my eyes on a jupiter37) would bring me a lot more enjoyment and room for experimentation, at a fraction of the cost.
So, I hope I'm not boring you guys with easy questions, each start is hard as you know . I really appreciate your efforts to pass your knowledge on |
Well I certainly think you need to try things out to see if you take to them but, all joking aside, this lens-buying thing is definitely addictive so do try to keep your feet on the ground. At your age there's going to be much more important things to spend your money on.
The X-700 for 20EUR is a great deal - if it's in good condition you could probably sell it again for twice that much. There's only a couple of things to mention. As an introduction to film photography I don't think it's perhaps the best choice unless you're really strict with yourself and use it in manual mode only. Program mode won't teach you what you need to know about different film speeds, aperture settings and their relationship to depth of field, or about freezing action and camera shake using shutter speeds. In manual mode you have to think about all these things to get a decent shot, and once you've learnt them you'll have a much higher rate of keeper pictures in any mode. Besides, it's more fun I think.
The other thing is that it's not possible to use Minolta/Rokkor MD or MC lenses on any other cameras (other than Olympus 4/3), due to the register distance. The M42-mount Helios and J37 are great lenses that you can use on a wide range of cameras, but if you buy any Minolta lenses you'll need to sell them too if you ever get rid of the camera.
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Lenses: M42 - CZJ 2.8/20, 2.4/35, 1.8/50, 2.8/50, 3.5/135 - Meyer/Pentacon 1.8/50, 2.8/50, 2.8/135, 4/200
Russian - J9, J21, J37A, M1v, M24m, I50-2, H44m-4 Vega12
Takumar 3.5/28, 3.5/35, 1.4/50(x2), 1.8/55, 1.9/85, 3.5/135 - Vivitar 2.8/28
K-mount : Pentax-M 2.8/28, 1.7/50 - Tamron zooms :SP28-80, SP35-80, SP60-300, 80-210
DSLR:Canon 400D 35mm SLR: Pentax Spotmatic SP, SPII(x2), SPF, ESII, K2, ME Super, P30 - Chinon CE3 - Minolta XG-M - Praktica Nova 1B, PLC2
Rangefinder: Zorki-4, Beauty Light-o-matic III Medium Format: Yashica-Mat 124G |
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