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j.lukow
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 Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:11 am Post subject: Re: Minolta x-700 |
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| peterqd wrote: | | . . . In manual mode you have to think about all these things to get a decent shot, and once you've learnt them you'll have a much higher rate of keeper pictures in any mode. Besides, it's more fun I think. |
This is quite true, which is why I love my Minolta XGM/X70 (There's that different name, different country thing  )
| peterqd wrote: | | The other thing is that it's not possible to use Minolta/Rokkor MD or MC lenses on any other cameras (other than Olympus 4/3), due to the register distance. The M42-mount Helios and J37 are great lenses that you can use on a wide range of cameras, but if you buy any Minolta lenses you'll need to sell them too if you ever get rid of the camera. |
Personally I'm not liking my couple M42 lenses on the MD adapter, this is why I have my Electro X TL. Peter has a point about the limitations of the MD mount, but if you go for some Tamron Adaptall lenses you can change the adapter. Though the optics in the Rokkor lenses are sweet 
Jim
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Minolta Kit: Minolta X70 & Autowinder G, Minolta SRT200
LENSES:Minolta - 45mm & 50mm F1:2, PF 58mm F1:1.4,
Tamron 28mm f1:2.5, Tamron SP 35-80mm f1:2.8/3.8 & CF TeleMacro zoom 80-210 f1:3.8,
Vivitar f3.0~4.5 35-200mm macro focusing zoom, f 2.8 28mm CF Wide angle, 2x macro focus teleconverter,
Sigma F4 25-250, f 2.8~4 35-70mm zoom master,
Tokina SD f4-5.6 70-210 zoom, f4.5 80-200 "Ultra" zoom,
AutoImage 135mm F1:2.8, Spiratone 400mm f1:6.3, Magicon f3.5-4.8 35-70mm macro zoom,Accura MD mount Macro bellows
Start of M42 Kit:Praktica PLC2,Yashica TL Electro X
LENSES:Meyer Goerlitz Oreston 50mm f1:1.8 ,
Auto Yashinon DX 1:1.7 50mm,Steinheil Munchen Culminar 135mm f4.5, Adaptall-2 M42 adapter
Zeiss . . .
Zeiss Contaflex 126 system
Zeiss Contaflex Super
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Niko
Joined: 10 Jun 2008
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Location: Hessen, Germany
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:37 am Post subject: Re: Minolta x-700 |
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| peterqd wrote: |
The X-700 for 20EUR is a great deal - if it's in good condition you could probably sell it again for twice that much. There's only a couple of things to mention. As an introduction to film photography I don't think it's perhaps the best choice unless you're really strict with yourself and use it in manual mode only. Program mode won't teach you what you need to know about different film speeds, aperture settings and their relationship to depth of field, or about freezing action and camera shake using shutter speeds. In manual mode you have to think about all these things to get a decent shot, and once you've learnt them you'll have a much higher rate of keeper pictures in any mode. Besides, it's more fun I think. |
Yes, I know what you mean, I do (at least hope to  ) use it on manual, however I'm not really sure about the relations between exposure/aperture/iso, so I was hoping to be able to get a feeling about that with Av first. Dont know if it makes any sense
| peterqd wrote: | | The other thing is that it's not possible to use Minolta/Rokkor MD or MC lenses on any other cameras (other than Olympus 4/3), due to the register distance. The M42-mount Helios and J37 are great lenses that you can use on a wide range of cameras, but if you buy any Minolta lenses you'll need to sell them too if you ever get rid of the camera. |
Yep, I'm aware of that, thats why I'm mostly looking at m42 lenses at the moment. If I ever get a dslr, I'd want to be able to use the lenses  . All buys are on pause now tho
| j.lukow wrote: |
Personally I'm not liking my couple M42 lenses on the MD adapter, this is why I have my Electro X TL. Peter has a point about the limitations of the MD mount, but if you go for some Tamron Adaptall lenses you can change the adapter.
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Can you elaborate? Why dont you like the m42 lenses with the adapter?
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j.lukow
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:14 am Post subject: |
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The reason is simple and its the fact that an adapter engages the stop down pin on the lens, so its very much like using an old manual lens on the Minolta.
Yes you can focus/set up with it wide open and then stop down for the shot - this adds the level of an extra step always to remember into the process.
I admit that the Yashica was passed on by a friend - so an M42 camera was free, but before this I purchased from Attila a Praktica. These older cameras can come cheap anyway and I don't mind having a couple cameras.
(Its the addiction )
Jim
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Jim's Kit:
Minolta Kit: Minolta X70 & Autowinder G, Minolta SRT200
LENSES:Minolta - 45mm & 50mm F1:2, PF 58mm F1:1.4,
Tamron 28mm f1:2.5, Tamron SP 35-80mm f1:2.8/3.8 & CF TeleMacro zoom 80-210 f1:3.8,
Vivitar f3.0~4.5 35-200mm macro focusing zoom, f 2.8 28mm CF Wide angle, 2x macro focus teleconverter,
Sigma F4 25-250, f 2.8~4 35-70mm zoom master,
Tokina SD f4-5.6 70-210 zoom, f4.5 80-200 "Ultra" zoom,
AutoImage 135mm F1:2.8, Spiratone 400mm f1:6.3, Magicon f3.5-4.8 35-70mm macro zoom,Accura MD mount Macro bellows
Start of M42 Kit:Praktica PLC2,Yashica TL Electro X
LENSES:Meyer Goerlitz Oreston 50mm f1:1.8 ,
Auto Yashinon DX 1:1.7 50mm,Steinheil Munchen Culminar 135mm f4.5, Adaptall-2 M42 adapter
Zeiss . . .
Zeiss Contaflex 126 system
Zeiss Contaflex Super
Other gear - Gossen Luna-Pro |
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nemesis101
Joined: 25 Mar 2008
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Location: Oregon USA
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:13 am Post subject: Re: Minolta x-700 |
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Hmm My friends are right again - I had a 'senior moment' as they say here.. The alternative Minolta is indeed the XD-11 aka XD-7 outside USA.. and NOT the imaginary X11-D I created... sorry...
Though the XD-11 is a great camera. In a testament to hope over experience I've jsut won another x-700... we shall see!
Doug.
| peterqd wrote: | | Niko wrote: | | nemesis101 wrote: | Be VERY careful. These cameras are notorious (I now discover to my cost, well not really as got 100% refund put P.I.T.A.) for failing capacitors. The meters work but the film advance does not. there are two, and one can be replaced in 15 minutes as it is under the bottom plate in full view, the other.. well best forget it unless you have 15 fingers none thicker than 3mm.... I'd stick (if you go the Minolta route) to the X-11D which has both AV and TV and is FAR more reliable...
Doug. |
Well, I hope mine works alright - you know how it is, couldnt wait anymore, so I ordered it  . It's supposed to be fine, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
PS that X-11D seems to be rarer, a quick search yielded no results. |
Niko, I think perhaps Doug meant the XD-11. I'm not sure where you are (perhaps you could update your profile please), but outside US (and perhaps Canada), this camera is known as an XD-7. I don't understand why, but manufacturers often have a different name for their cameras in the US to the rest of the world. |
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peterqd
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:10 am Post subject: Re: Minolta x-700 |
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| Niko wrote: | | I'm not really sure about the relations between exposure/aperture/iso, so I was hoping to be able to get a feeling about that with Av first. Dont know if it makes any sense |
It makes sense, but it misses the point I was trying to make. By far the best and quickest way to get a feeling for exposure is to judge lighting levels with your eyes and set the camera controls yourself, using Sunny 16 or similar. Using a handheld meter helps with the judgement but you still need to think about it and set the camera yourself. But in Av mode the camera decides and sets the shutter speed for you and avoids you needing to think about it at all, so it makes you lazy and you never really learn.
| j.lukow wrote: | The reason is simple and its the fact that an adapter engages the stop down pin on the lens, so its very much like using an old manual lens on the Minolta.
Yes you can focus/set up with it wide open and then stop down for the shot - this adds the level of an extra step always to remember into the process. |
This is quite true, but I don't agree it adds a further step. Unless you're using Program or Tv mode you always need to set the aperture at some point in the process.
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Russian - J9, J21, J37A, M1v, M24m, I50-2, H44m-4 Vega12
Takumar 3.5/28, 3.5/35, 1.4/50(x2), 1.8/55, 1.9/85, 3.5/135 - Vivitar 2.8/28
K-mount : Pentax-M 2.8/28, 1.7/50 - Tamron zooms :SP28-80, SP35-80, SP60-300, 80-210
DSLR:Canon 400D 35mm SLR: Pentax Spotmatic SP, SPII(x2), SPF, ESII, K2, ME Super, P30 - Chinon CE3 - Minolta XG-M - Praktica Nova 1B, PLC2
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montecarlo
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Location: Romania
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Minolta x-700 |
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| Niko wrote: | ...
Yes, I know what you mean, I do (at least hope to ) use it on manual, however I'm not really sure about the relations between exposure/aperture/iso, so I was hoping to be able to get a feeling about that with Av first. Dont know if it makes any sense
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Hello,
Here it is a link that might help you. http://www.fredparker.com/ultexp1.htm
Don't be scared by its complexity. Its only an apparent one.
Let's take for example table "Exposure Value Chart"
We are outdoors and the weather is cloudy but not too dark (still, without shadows) . So, the EV value of 13 is ours.
Let's say we have ISO 100 film in the camera and a 50mm lens.
So, if we want to take a shot in these conditions what we have to do (regarding the camera settings):
Check what focal lenght we use (it is recommandable not to use an exposure time of which's denominator is bigger than the focal lenght of the lens - for example if the lens is 50mm than the exposure time should be less than 1/50 (->1/60,1/125.... an so on) - like is our case - to avoit camera shake).
These being saif we go the the table "Exposure Factor Relationship Chart B" and check it.
We choose ISO 100 and the raw there we encounter EV 13 . Now we are at the point where using the pairs of aperture/exposure time , the picture will be well exposed to the light The pairs you can find them in the second part of the table and they are:
for choosing f:1.4 you must choose 1/4000 exposure time;
for choosing f:2 you must choose 1/2000 exposure time;
for choosing f:2.8 you must choose 1/1000 exposure time;
for choosing f:4 you must choose 1/500 exposure time;
for choosing f:5.6 you must choose 1/250 exposure time;
for choosing f:8 you must choose 1/125 exposure time;
for choosing f:11 you must choose 1/60 exposure time;
and here we should stop here (not to choose f:16 which would request using time of 1/30 - and 30 is less than 50 (mm)) to avoid like said before, camera shake because of the lens focal lenght.
Hope I helped a little.
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montecarlo
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: |
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and more help
http://www.robert-barrett.com/photo/exposure.html
and a more easy to use calculator
http://www.robert-barrett.com/photo/exposure_calculator.html
PS. Using these day by day you'll be familiar with them and one day you won't be need this because your mind will be the best light meters
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Porst Reflex TL , Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 35mm f:2.4 , Pentacon 50mm f:1.8 , Porst MC 135mm f:2.8 , Cosinon MC 200mm f:3.5
Ricoh XR7, Ricoh KR10, Petri MC 28mm f:2 , Chinon MC 28mm f:2.8 , smc Pentax-M 50mm f:1.7, Ricoh 50mm f:1.7 , Soligor T 135mm f:2.8 , smc Pentax-M 75-150mm f:4
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Niko
Joined: 10 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| montecarlo wrote: | | ..more help .. |
Wow thanks a lot for these links and your example! Great information - now I only have to read all of it .
That Exposure Value Chart seems to be exactly what I think I needed . Thanks again !
A Thank-you goes to everyone that posted in this thread as well . Time to start shooting (or will be in 2 days, when I finally get some free time)
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