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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:52 pm Post subject: RMC Tokina 17mm F3.5 |
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Spotmatic wrote:
For some reason this lens is not very popular. I read a lot about the Carl Zeiss Jena 20mm F2.8 Flektogon, but the 17mm Tokina crushes it in all respects. It's also much better than the 20mm F3.8 Vivitar I had before it.
1. Yours truly in a rearview mirror (hence the distortion):
2. The real captain of the ship:
3. A glimpse from the cabin:
4. Nice remote workplace!
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pich900
Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 1745 Location: The Netherlands/Zwolle
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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pich900 wrote:
Hi Peter,
Great results, this lens seems not bad at all! _________________ All my lenses are for sale, nikkor, Angenieux, Zeiss etc.....
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
I used to have the Vivitar 3.5/17 which is very similar to the Tokina (if not the same) and I agree, a great lens, much better than my CZJ Flek 4/20.
I gave the Viv away for a complete set of old Canon lenses (plus some $$$) that I wanted to have in order to play with. Sometimes I regret that! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Oh Carsten, I regret so many things in my photographic life
Before I forget: I used this same lens on my Canon 5D (with the help of a PK to EF adapter). Still very good results!
http://forum.mflenses.com/rmc-tokina-17mm-f-3-5-pk-mount-on-canon-5d-t18515.html _________________ Peter - Moderator
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16497 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Great demonstration Peter! This is a hidden gem IMHO and I have to confess I have three of them (Nikon mount) because of that. _________________ Klaus - Admin
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Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Spotmatic wrote: |
Oh Carsten, I regret so many things in my photographic life
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Yeah! I know how that feels.
And I agree to your 5D verdict. That 17mm lens is surprisingly good at fullframe! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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blende8
Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 260 Location: Bremen, Germany
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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blende8 wrote:
I would like to see a comparison showing the barrel distortion of the Tokina and the Flektogon. _________________ Best wishes, Wieland
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6624 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Looks good Spotty, although there's some purple fringing in the window on the second shot
I have a very similar lens as a Soligor 17/3.5, also made by Tokina. I think it performs very well too and is great for close ups of cows! _________________ Graham - Moderator
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tobbsman
Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 2578 Location: Austria
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:28 am Post subject: |
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tobbsman wrote:
much much sharper in corners than Flek 28/2.8. concerning barrel distortions I guess the flek would win.
the boat is great !!!
Cheers
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Katastrofo
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 10405 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Excellent results, and I like the venue, too! |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
I have the Vivitar 17/3.5, made by Tokina, and I love mine. Unfortunately it's in Canon FD mount. I'd like to find another 17mm in Nikon mount, but all the ones I see on eBay go for a lot these days. _________________ Michael
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stingOM
Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 3168 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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stingOM wrote:
Wow. Fantastic results. I have a Tamron 17mm f3.5 (like this one: Click here to see on Ebay ) myself. I wonder if the Tokina lens would beat it. |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:59 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I am astonished by the clarity and sharpness of these samples.
What I had seen before from this lens was not even comparable in quality.
But it always comes down to the same old point, how is that every lens that you try looks so impressive?
Perhaps you should lend your lens to someone else so that we can have a more realistic term of comparison! _________________ Orio, Administrator
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:39 am Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
It has long been known as a "hidden gem". There are, I believe , a few versions of this lens. I have the 'non-pro" version which apparently behaves better than its titled brother.
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:32 am Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Thanks everyone! Frankly I'm a little bit surprised that this topic recieved so many responses. Because the photos are not masterpieces; I only wanted to show off what the 17mm F3.5 RMC Tokina can do, because its performance was an eye-opener to me. It does not have the typical "ultra-wide" abberations in the corners I'm so used to seeing with the 20mm F2.8 Flektogon and the 20mm F3.8 Vivitar I've used before. Most of the older ultra-wides also are not very sharp, not even stopped down (or those lenses lack resolution).
What I like about this lens is that it, despite it having a Pentax K bayonet, fits perfectly on a stock 5D with PK to EF adapter installed. Because the lens does not have a protective flange for the diaphragm lever. There are also no infinity problems!
I will try to take some pictures to show the distortion. And maybe we should start a topic on 17mm superwides to see the similarities and differences.
And a final word: I don't think I'm a very talented photographer; but I do know the fine art of perfectly focusing a lens _________________ Peter - Moderator
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 2901 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:54 am Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Got myself one of these lenses last week, to use on my 40d. I used to have one in the past, on my OM2, and I agree it is a great lens. |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7776 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I've just been offered one of these lenses in PK fit for £50 GBP, 56 Euro, does that sound about right ?
I haven't got anything this wide, and a very quick bit research shows it to be a decent lens. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
I've just been offered one of these lenses in PK fit for £50 GBP, 56 Euro, does that sound about right ?
I haven't got anything this wide, and a very quick bit research shows it to be a decent lens. |
Yep, I would get it for that price, immediately! Also perfectly usable on the Canon 5D with just a PK to EF adapter; no leverectomy or mirror shave needed. Recommended! _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
I have a Vivitar 17/3.5, built by Tokina, and by all accounts I've come across, it's the same lens. Mine is a very nice optic, the only drawback being it's in Canon FD mount so it's of limited use with my EOS DSLR. But I've got some Velvia 50 slides I could show you that I took with that lens. If I were offered one in PK mount, I'd jump on it in a heartbeat. _________________ Michael
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6943 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I thought this lens had really bad distortion and for that reason people preferred the Flek?
For a UWA, I don't mind as I make creative use of perspective distortion. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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kuuan
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
great results Peter!
for 56 Euro it's a great deal, I'd take it immediately!
still looking for one, had the Vivitar minty but because it was in Nikon mount fitting badly on my Pentax, sold it again here in this forum for over 100 Euro
does anyone know if the Tokina ATX AF version optically is the same lens too? _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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agent_cooper
Joined: 06 Oct 2010 Posts: 139 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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agent_cooper wrote:
does anybody know if the coating of the tokina and the Viv version is the same? _________________
MF: Samyang 3.5/8mm Fisheye, Komine Vivitar 1.9/35mm, Komine Vivitar 2.8/90mm 1:1 macro
CCCP: Helios 44-4, Helios 40-2.
ZUIKO: 2.8/35mm, 1.8/50mm
ZEISS C/Y: 2.8/25 MM, 1.4/50 MM, 1.4/85 MM, 2.8/135 MM.
TILT&SHIFT:Canon 3.5/24mm TS, Arax 2.8/80mm TS.
AF: Canon 1.8/85mm, Tokina zoom 2.8/11-16mm, Tokina zoom 2.8/28-70mm Canon zoom 70-300mm.
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote: |
I thought this lens had really bad distortion and for that reason people preferred the Flek?
For a UWA, I don't mind as I make creative use of perspective distortion. |
I tested my Tokina-made Vivitar version of the 17mm for this. I did it by lying on the floor of my father's office and taking a picture of the ceiling. I could get the entire perimeter of the ceiling in the frame. I detected noticeable barrel distortion with mine. But I don't care. Most of the time when I use my 17mm it's for nature scenics, where barrel distortion isn't going to matter. And when I do use it for straight-lined subjects, like architecture, I haven't yet felt the need to correct any of the images for barrel distortion. It's just not that big of a deal, really.
@agent_cooper: I don't know for sure, but I do know that this has been the difference between other Tokina lenses and the same lenses built for Vivitar, e.g., the "Bokina" the Tokina 90mm f/2.8 macro. The Vivitar 90mm f/2.8 macro is built by Tokina but the coatings are different, and by all accounts I've read, the Tokina coatings are superior to those they used on the Vivitar. So this might be a justification for going with the Tokina instead of the Vivitar in this case. But if you ask me, I'd say it's a minor one. _________________ Michael
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Maple Wang
Joined: 07 Jul 2009 Posts: 37 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Maple Wang wrote:
cooltouch wrote: |
e.g., the "Bokina" the Tokina 90mm f/2.8 macro. The Vivitar 90mm f/2.8 macro is built by Tokina but the coatings are different, |
The "Bokina" is Tokina 90mm F/2.5, and the related Vivitar one is Series 1 90mm F/2.5 . _________________ Maple
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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cooltouch wrote:
Thanks for the correction, Maple. Sometimes the old memory slips a cog every once in a while. _________________ Michael
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