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ZuikosHexanonsandVivitars
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 Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:36 am Post subject: RAW Processing with Manufacturer Software |
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ZuikosHexanonsandVivitars wrote:
Filing through the many topics in this forum, I get the impression that those cost-free PP software provided by camera manufacturers is considered mediocre in comparison to the actual stars in post processing, like Lightroom or Photoshop. I have used neither of them so far, since I´m naturally greedy and thus stick with Gimp and Raw Therapee, but my results with these programs are usually less good than raws developed with cost-free camera manufacturer software. But this might be related to my needs, which are mainly EV adjustment, white balance, contrast, saturation, dynamic range, noise reduction and sharpness. In other words - make a natural looking image into a slightly better natural looking image, just the few adjustments that the camera didn´t get right in the moment the image was taken. So, having never used PS or LR in the first place, but feeling happy with the PP tools provided by camera manufacturers, I keep wondering if the top-of-the line subsription $$ PP software is the way to the holy grail.
...I ask that since I´m simply too lazy to give it ago with free trial versions, having read here many times that first steps can be quite frustrating. Still want to know if I´m missing something by ignoring them. Many thanks in advance for your advice on this topic.
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Lloydy
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
FastStone is a good, free, simple and very useful program. It does RAW Conversion, quick and simple editing and is my go to file / picture viewer.
If I need to really work a picture I use Photoshop, but for a quick adjustment FastStone is excellent.
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Gimp & Raw Therapy should both equal or surpass results with manufacturer software provided raw conversion settings are similarly set.
Photoshop for example has way more features than I'll ever need, however the adjustment routines are really, really excellent. Adobe software licensing has always been pita , but their method allows for the kind of user data gathering they've used for decades to constantly improve their products.
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Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH) |
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ZuikosHexanonsandVivitars
Joined: 03 Nov 2021
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Location: Austria
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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ZuikosHexanonsandVivitars wrote:
| Lloydy wrote: |
FastStone is a good, free, simple and very useful program. It does RAW Conversion, quick and simple editing and is my go to file / picture viewer.
If I need to really work a picture I use Photoshop, but for a quick adjustment FastStone is excellent. |
I´ll have a look at FastStone for sure, thanks Lloydy.
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| Gimp & Raw Therapy should both equal or surpass results with manufacturer software provided raw conversion settings are similarly set. |
I made that conclusion some time ago, it just seems I´m lacking a certain level of understanding to use them in the right way. Probably not entirely - Gimp is mainly annoying me since I cannot get used to the UI. RawTherapee is better in this regard, but has so many functions that would require far more knowledge than I have, despite quite some hours experimenting with it. Especially the wavelet transition functions for sharpening with 2 sliders on 5 different layers left me confused. Too many options to begin with. So if PS and LR are that level of complexity, I rather leave that alone.
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visualopsins
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
I'm using Photoshop Elements 10 on Windows XP sometimes, for the same auto-adjustment routines as full Photoshop, obtained on ebay for $10, much easier to use than GIMP or full Photoshop. Elements has batch processing which is somewhat difficult with GIMP.
The latest version is $99 from Adobe, runs on later versions of Windows.
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Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH) |
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ZuikosHexanonsandVivitars
Joined: 03 Nov 2021
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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ZuikosHexanonsandVivitars wrote:
| Lloydy wrote: |
FastStone is a good, free, simple and very useful program. It does RAW Conversion, quick and simple editing and is my go to file / picture viewer.
If I need to really work a picture I use Photoshop, but for a quick adjustment FastStone is excellent. |
Tried that out yesterday. 
It seems to be a lot like XNViewMP, which I use for similar purposes. I think I´ll keep it a bit longer and compare.
| visualopsins wrote: |
I'm using Photoshop Elements 10 on Windows XP sometimes, for the same auto-adjustment routines as full Photoshop, obtained on ebay for $10, much easier to use than GIMP or full Photoshop. Elements has batch processing which is somewhat difficult with GIMP.
The latest version is $99 from Adobe, runs on later versions of Windows. |
Haha, that´s what I usually always get in this forum when I start a post without having researched the subject matter beforehand in the most scrupulous way 
Until now, Photoshop was just that - I didn´t realize there´s a "light" version called Elements with perpetual licence instead of subscription model. I´ll have a go at the 30 days trial version. Thanks Vis.
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