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fermy
Joined: 17 Feb 2012 Posts: 2877
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:16 am Post subject: |
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fermy wrote:
Let's face it, this is not speculating on bread for the starving. Most people on this board have about 10x the number of lenses anyone can possibly need. There are thousands of quality lenses that can be had for very reasonable prices. To me the quoted $600 for the Helios is laughable, for 200 Euros, yeah, I am interested. However, if there are people that are ready to buy at $600, then the asking price is correct. _________________ Many lenses and some film bodies for sale here: http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-minolta-md-c-mounts-m42-pentax-and-more-t50465.html
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
No way in hell I'm going to pay 100% markup. I can wait. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
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Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5019 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:23 am Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
fermy wrote: |
Let's face it, this is not speculating on bread for the starving. Most people on this board have about 10x the number of lenses anyone can possibly need. There are thousands of quality lenses that can be had for very reasonable prices. To me the quoted $600 for the Helios is laughable, for 200 Euros, yeah, I am interested. However, if there are people that are ready to buy at $600, then the asking price is correct. |
..and anyway the lens is probably better than most photographers _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
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hoanpham
Joined: 31 Jan 2011 Posts: 2575
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:30 am Post subject: |
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hoanpham wrote:
Excalibur wrote: |
fermy wrote: |
Let's face it, this is not speculating on bread for the starving. Most people on this board have about 10x the number of lenses anyone can possibly need. There are thousands of quality lenses that can be had for very reasonable prices. To me the quoted $600 for the Helios is laughable, for 200 Euros, yeah, I am interested. However, if there are people that are ready to buy at $600, then the asking price is correct. |
..and anyway the lens is probably better than most photographers |
True. But I feel more confident with gears
$600 is way to high for my budget for this lens. _________________ La migliore cura di LBA � imparare una nuova lingua. Le meilleur rem�de de LBA est d'apprendre une nouvelle langue. La mejor cura del LBA es aprender una nueva lengua. |
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rawhead
Joined: 09 Feb 2009 Posts: 1525 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:54 am Post subject: |
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rawhead wrote:
fermy wrote: |
Let's face it, this is not speculating on bread for the starving. Most people on this board have about 10x the number of lenses anyone can possibly need. There are thousands of quality lenses that can be had for very reasonable prices. To me the quoted $600 for the Helios is laughable, for 200 Euros, yeah, I am interested. However, if there are people that are ready to buy at $600, then the asking price is correct. |
Sure, the price is *always* right as long as there are buyers. On Ebay, they're still going for $750-$800
BUT, the main points about this news are that (1) KMZ is producing these lenses again, and (2) they're setting the price a much more decent price point in comparison to the inflated Ebay "going" rate.
If there are people out there who are going to the factory and buying up all the stock to keep the flow of the new batches less than a trickle so that they can continue to resell these at the current inflated prices, then that really defies the reasons why people like me are excited about this new.
Hell, I paid $500 for a moderately beat up 40-2 several months ago (after having stupidly sold a near perfect sample at $350 or thereabouts a few years prior), I'd probaby pay $600 for a LNIB copy. HOWEVER, as I understand that doing so would be feeding and encouraging this kind of act, so I wouldn't purchase it, if only on principle. _________________ Sony α7R, Pentax 67II, Kiev-60, Hasselblad 203FE, 903SWC, Graflex Norita 66, Mamiya M645 1000s, Burke & James 8x10, Graflex Pacemaker Speed Graphic (4x5 and 3x4), Century Graphic (2x3), R.B. Graflex Seried D, Rolleiflex SL66E, Rolleiflex 2.8C Xenotar, Mamiya C330f, a few M42, six P6, three OM, four Hasselblad, two Pentax 67, two Mamiya 645, one Noritar, and a sprinkle of EF. Oh, and an Aero Ektar and Leica Noctilux |
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Pinkerator
Joined: 25 Sep 2012 Posts: 16 Location: Russia, Moscow
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Pinkerator wrote:
About 600$ - guys, you could offer cost that you like in private messages.
This is a cost for first months because it's really really hard to buy lenses right now. When enough lenses will be produced - the price will drop and I'll write you a message about it. I just need to know how much people want to have that lens in collection. |
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enliten
Joined: 20 Sep 2011 Posts: 201 Location: Perth, WA
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:50 am Post subject: |
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enliten wrote:
are there any reviews out yet?
I'm interested in knowing if there are newer coatings, good build quality, etc. _________________ www.craftedbyben.com
Digital: Canon EOS 7D
Film SLRs: Zenit 122, Nikon F55, Nikon FM2, Pentax Spotmatic, Pentax ME Super, Pentax K1000, Minolta SR1
Rangefinders: Konica Auto S2, Zeiss Ikon Contessa LKE, Zeiss Ikon Continette, Zeiss Ikon Ikonta 521/16, Fed 5B
50's: Super Takumar 50 f1.4, Helios 44-m6,, Minolta MD 50 f1.4, Meyer Optik Oreston 50 f1.8, Olympus 50 f1.4, Industar 55 f2.8 (RF), Jupiter-3 50 f1.5 (RF), Yashinon DS 50 f1.4, Zeiss Jena 50 f2.8, Zeiss Pancolar 50 f1.8
Med Tele: Jupiter-11 135 f4 (RF), Mamiya 120 f4 Macro (645), Meyer Optik Trioplan 100 f2.8, Jupiter-9 85 f2
Tele: Jupiter-21a 200mm f4
Wide: Rikenon 35 2.8, Rikenon 28 f2.8, Minolta MD 28 f2.8, Minolta MD 24 f2.8, Pentacon 30 f3.5, Enna Werk Munchen Lithagon 35 f4.5
Autofocus: Canon 50 1.8, Sigma 50 1.4, Tokina 11-16 2.8
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padam
Joined: 09 Oct 2012 Posts: 175 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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padam wrote:
I am getting one, as I found a distant friend who works close to the shop and can buy one for me when they are available (argh if I came up with this a bit quicker I would have got the discount as well...)
But it will take some time till I can get them. |
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
I think all posts by fresh members should be blocked in this topic . The thing is already strange enough. _________________ ---------------------------------
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zenit55
Joined: 16 Sep 2012 Posts: 18 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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zenit55 wrote:
This lens looks cool, but for me a part of the appeal of these soviet lenses is not only they are good, but also there is no more soviet union, so there would never be any more true soviet era lenses. Might be a bit silly but that's my opinion.
I'd pay 400-500 for an old one in great shape, but most I'd pay for modern one would be $350. I bet soon they will manufacture a bunch of them and they will be readily available like the zenitars and mirs they currently produce. |
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padam
Joined: 09 Oct 2012 Posts: 175 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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padam wrote:
Yes, it might be a little risky to get one without knowing how similar it is to the older versions, but at least I don't have to worry about dust just yet.
And it is autumn and from what I saw it seems like a really good "autumn portrait lens" so I hope to get it working soon. It will be my first manual lens and from what I gathered it is not so easy to handle so it's going to be a real challenge |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57840 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
fermy wrote: |
Let's face it, this is not speculating on bread for the starving. Most people on this board have about 10x the number of lenses anyone can possibly need. There are thousands of quality lenses that can be had for very reasonable prices. To me the quoted $600 for the Helios is laughable, for 200 Euros, yeah, I am interested. However, if there are people that are ready to buy at $600, then the asking price is correct. |
+1 I had/have all version in past and present not worth at all for 600 USD. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57840 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
zenit55 wrote: |
This lens looks cool, but for me a part of the appeal of these soviet lenses is not only they are good, but also there is no more soviet union, so there would never be any more true soviet era lenses. Might be a bit silly but that's my opinion.
I'd pay 400-500 for an old one in great shape, but most I'd pay for modern one would be $350. I bet soon they will manufacture a bunch of them and they will be readily available like the zenitars and mirs they currently produce. |
+1 I respect also those what are part if history and not actual product. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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nukemall
Joined: 24 Apr 2012 Posts: 96 Location: Blagoveschensk, Russia
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:05 am Post subject: |
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nukemall wrote:
Brand new Helios-40-2:
Price(see sales slip at right) is 8041rub., about $260 |
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Sirrith
Joined: 17 Sep 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:54 am Post subject: |
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Sirrith wrote:
Pinkerator wrote: |
About 600$ - guys, you could offer cost that you like in private messages.
This is a cost for first months because it's really really hard to buy lenses right now. When enough lenses will be produced - the price will drop and I'll write you a message about it. I just need to know how much people want to have that lens in collection. |
The only problem with your reasoning is that it might be really hard to buy it, but its still only costing you $260 from the store. Just because you can't buy 20 at a time doesn't make it more expensive for you.
A lot of us are interested in this lens, as are many others around the internet, and we would be more than willing to pay a fair price for it. |
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rolocosta
Joined: 04 Aug 2012 Posts: 5
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:17 am Post subject: |
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rolocosta wrote:
This is amazing.. always lusted for the 40-2.. hope they increase production (and don't increase the price) and make it available world wide.. |
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hoanpham
Joined: 31 Jan 2011 Posts: 2575
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:43 am Post subject: |
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hoanpham wrote:
nukemall wrote: |
Brand new Helios-40-2:
Price(see sales slip at right) is 8041rub., about $260 |
Thanks for the confirmation. _________________ La migliore cura di LBA � imparare una nuova lingua. Le meilleur rem�de de LBA est d'apprendre une nouvelle langue. La mejor cura del LBA es aprender una nueva lengua. |
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Pinkerator
Joined: 25 Sep 2012 Posts: 16 Location: Russia, Moscow
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Pinkerator wrote:
Sirrith wrote: |
Pinkerator wrote: |
About 600$ - guys, you could offer cost that you like in private messages.
This is a cost for first months because it's really really hard to buy lenses right now. When enough lenses will be produced - the price will drop and I'll write you a message about it. I just need to know how much people want to have that lens in collection. |
The only problem with your reasoning is that it might be really hard to buy it, but its still only costing you $260 from the store. Just because you can't buy 20 at a time doesn't make it more expensive for you.
A lot of us are interested in this lens, as are many others around the internet, and we would be more than willing to pay a fair price for it. |
Right now only way to buy it is to wake up in the morning and go to another city where the only shop of 'Zenit' is. There may be a couple of lenses today, or may not. Anyway they sell only one lens for one person.
You right, it doesn't make lens more expensive, but... _________________ http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1264921.html
Helios 40-2 topic on 'Market' |
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tromboads
Joined: 29 May 2012 Posts: 1782 Location: Melbourne AU
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:12 am Post subject: |
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tromboads wrote:
Must be a unequally Russian way of doing business There may be one lens, may not be. depends if we feel like making them that's what :p
That I actually dig
Stick it to the capitalist pig.. wait...
er.
I'm gonna have another beer. |
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zenit55
Joined: 16 Sep 2012 Posts: 18 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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zenit55 wrote:
They are obviously trying to copy apple with their fanboy camps outside the store before the iPhone releases!! |
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fotkino
Joined: 04 May 2011 Posts: 111 Location: Russia, Moscow
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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fotkino wrote:
Hooray! It exists and I got it!
Bought from the "seller" with a decent margin.
But I really wanted to see "what it is."
In this post, only the appearance and packaging. On a separate piece of paper in the photo it says "Warning!
Appearance may not match a showing in the manual. "
Also in the manual there is mention of the "MC" version and not the "MC".
Pay attention to the cover, it amber and blue. But the blue layer as uneven. (see close-up photo with numbers).
Rear lens glare just amber.
Front cover - steel.
Rear - plastic.
The lens is made october 3d.
It's funny that the lens is equipped with color filters It's better to put the hood instead
A little later, take test photos and a comparison with the old silver version.
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buggz
Joined: 22 Jun 2011 Posts: 44
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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buggz wrote:
YES, PLEASE compare photos from the old "silver" 40 as well.
I'd LOVE to see the differences. |
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hoanpham
Joined: 31 Jan 2011 Posts: 2575
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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hoanpham wrote:
Thanks for sharing.
Why is the coating is uneven as seen in the blue reflection?
Is it normal? Never seen an uneven coating before. _________________ La migliore cura di LBA � imparare una nuova lingua. Le meilleur rem�de de LBA est d'apprendre une nouvelle langue. La mejor cura del LBA es aprender una nueva lengua. |
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fotkino
Joined: 04 May 2011 Posts: 111 Location: Russia, Moscow
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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fotkino wrote:
hoanpham wrote: |
Thanks for sharing.
Why is the coating is uneven as seen in the blue reflection?
Is it normal? Never seen an uneven coating before. |
At the macro picture, covering structure looks more like fur
I've seen it only in silver old lens from the 60s. _________________ _____________________________________
Sorry for my English |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I see some painting defects (and possible retouches) on both the bottom and the filter ring.
Don't want to sound negative, but is it possible that it's simply an old lens refurbished?
I would like to read at least a company's communication on the whereabouts of the resuming of the production. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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