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LucisPictor
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 Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: Prices from 1968 |
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LucisPictor wrote:
The other day I have found a list with prices from 1968 (of course in Deutschmark). One kilo of bread was about DM 1.30 (today it's about € 4,-).
These prices do not tell everything about a lens, but they can tell us where a lens was placed by the manufacturer.
CZJ Flektogon 4/20: DM 630,-
CZJ Flektogon 4/25: DM 396,-
CZJ Flektogon 2.8/35: DM 369,-
CZJ Sonnar 4/135: DM 297,-*
Meyer Lydith 3.5/30: DM 149,-
Meyer Orestor 2.8/135: DM 198,-
Enna Ennalyt 4/24: DM 297,-
Enna Ennalyt 3.5/28: 147,-
Enna Tele-Ennalyt 2.8/135: DM 168,-
Isco Isconar 4/135: DM 129,-
Schacht S-Travegon 2.8/35: DM 325,-
Schacht Travenar 3.5/135: DM 254,-
Schneider Variogon 2.8/45-100: DM 1023,-
Very interesting is the comparison of 50ish mm lenses:
(in order of price)
Kilfitt Makro-Kilar 2.8/40: DM 376,-
Schacht S-Travelon 1.8/50: DM 282,-
Schacht Makro-Travenar 2.8/50: DM 254,-
CZJ Pancolar 2.0/50: DM 222,-
Schacht Travenar 2.8/50: DM 196,-
CZJ Tessar 2.8/50: DM 189,-*
Isco Iscotar 2.8/50: DM 120,-
Meyer Domiplan 2.8/50: DM 99,-*
Ludwig Meritar 2.8/50: DM 55,-* (!!)
And some so-called "portait lenses"...
CZJ Pancolar 1.4/75: DM 545,-
Schacht Travenar 2.8/90: DM 254,-
Meyer Trioplan 2.8/100: DM 216,-*
Schacht Travegar 3.3/100: DM 168,-
Enna Ennalyt 2.8/90: DM 159,-
Isco Iscnoar 4/100: DM 96,-
(*) These are the lenses from this list that I own.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Carsten
That's a great list and you are right - the comparative prices say a lot about the market positioning (and perhaps quality?)
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I gave only a quick look and it seems that the ranking of the lenses is more or less the same as today.
(I am of course unable to talk about the absolute value).
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
Fascinating list. I've never seen a Schacht lens, are there many around? And what's the rough conversion factor of DM/Euros Carsten?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Farside wrote:
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| Fascinating list. I've never seen a Schacht lens, are there many around? |
I have a Schacht Travenar 90R/2.8, which came cheaply in a bundle and which I've not got around to really trying out yet - must do it soon. In its day it was supposed to be a good portrait lens. I'm surprised to see it's position on Carsten's list there - maybe it's as good as its price suggests, who knows.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:03 am Post subject: |
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Bruce wrote:
and, wow, Kilfitt Makro-Kilar 2.8/40? 4th place on highest priced prime |
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LucisPictor
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
1 € = 1,956 DM
http://www.der-euro.de/euro2/euroum.html
"One kilo of bread was about DM 1.30 (today it's about € 4,-)."
So that is a price increase of about 600%!
Transferred to the lenses that would mean that the Tessar 2.8/50 today would cost about € 580,- ! 
Following this price list, there seems to have been a kind of "ranking" for the most valuable lenses:
1. Kilfitt
2. Schneider
2. Carl Zeiss Jena
4. Schacht
6. Isco (with a considerable gap between 4. and 6.)
6. Meyer
7. Enna
8. Ludwig
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Here are some more prices:
CZJ
Sonnar 2.8/180: DM 643,-
Sonnar 4/300: DM 895,-
Meyer
Orestor 4/200: DM 262,-
Tele-Orestor 4.5/300: DM 330,-
Enna
Tele-Ennalyt 4.5/240: DM 219,-
Isco
Tele-Westanar 4/180: DM 237,-
Tele-Isconar 2.8/180: DM 375,-
Schacht
Tele-Travelon 4/200: DM 303,-
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LucisPictor
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
| peterqd wrote: |
| Fascinating list. I've never seen a Schacht lens, are there many around? |
I don't think so.
Here are some (EXA bayonet, perhaps a reason to buy an EXA-EOS-adapter)
Click here to see on Ebay
Click here to see on Ebay
Click here to see on Ebay
and for the Edixa
Click here to see on Ebay
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lahnet wrote:
CZJ Sonnar 4/135: DM 297,-* [i][u] That is the best buy on the list, I think (price/quality)
Is it possible to show the list (scan?) it is really interesting.
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montecarlo wrote:
Nice information. Weird is that the CZJ Flek 20/4 is more expensive than the CZJ Pancolar 75/1.4 because as I know the last one was made in much more less copies (together with the Pancolar 55/1.4, the kit lens of the Pentacon Super SLR).
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Attila wrote:
CZJ Pancolar 1.4/75: DM 545,-
I really wish to see any copy from this lens.
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LucisPictor
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
| lahnet wrote: |
| Is it possible to show the list (scan?) it is really interesting. |
My scanner is not connected at the moment, but here is a quick shot (with a digital compact, fair enough, I guess):
(Taken from: foto magazin, 3/1997)
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| Schneider Variogon 2.8/45-100: DM 1023,- |
Kilfitt also had kind of a high price I guess, but I've read that it was a rather elite maker - scoring some "histories first" the first production zoom lens for example. Supplying to the army, they surely were well off financially  An interesting read - http://www.kilfitt.org/Biography.htm
As for Schacht, I read on some german forum an explanation of how Leica outsourced some lens production to them in the 50's or 60's. So I guess they were a good enough manufacturer
Interesting list, thanks for sharing
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