Prices from 1968

LucisPictor · Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: Prices from 1968

The other day I have found a list with prices from 1968 (of course in Deutschmark). One kilo of bread was about DM 1.30 (today it's about € 4,-).

These prices do not tell everything about a lens, but they can tell us where a lens was placed by the manufacturer.

CZJ Flektogon 4/20: DM 630,-
CZJ Flektogon 4/25: DM 396,-
CZJ Flektogon 2.8/35: DM 369,-
CZJ Sonnar 4/135: DM 297,-*

Meyer Lydith 3.5/30: DM 149,-
Meyer Orestor 2.8/135: DM 198,-

Enna Ennalyt 4/24: DM 297,-
Enna Ennalyt 3.5/28: 147,-
Enna Tele-Ennalyt 2.8/135: DM 168,-

Isco Isconar 4/135: DM 129,-

Schacht S-Travegon 2.8/35: DM 325,-
Schacht Travenar 3.5/135: DM 254,-

Schneider Variogon 2.8/45-100: DM 1023,-

Very interesting is the comparison of 50ish mm lenses:
(in order of price)

Kilfitt Makro-Kilar 2.8/40: DM 376,-
Schacht S-Travelon 1.8/50: DM 282,-
Schacht Makro-Travenar 2.8/50: DM 254,-
CZJ Pancolar 2.0/50: DM 222,-
Schacht Travenar 2.8/50: DM 196,-
CZJ Tessar 2.8/50: DM 189,-*
Isco Iscotar 2.8/50: DM 120,-
Meyer Domiplan 2.8/50: DM 99,-*
Ludwig Meritar 2.8/50: DM 55,-* (!!)

And some so-called "portait lenses"...

CZJ Pancolar 1.4/75: DM 545,-
Schacht Travenar 2.8/90: DM 254,-
Meyer Trioplan 2.8/100: DM 216,-*
Schacht Travegar 3.3/100: DM 168,-
Enna Ennalyt 2.8/90: DM 159,-
Isco Iscnoar 4/100: DM 96,-

(*) These are the lenses from this list that I own.
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patrickh · Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 3092 Location: Oregon

Carsten

That's a great list and you are right - the comparative prices say a lot about the market positioning (and perhaps quality?)

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Orio · Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 11651 Location: West Emilia

I gave only a quick look and it seems that the ranking of the lenses is more or less the same as today.
(I am of course unable to talk about the absolute value).
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peterqd · Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 2337 Location: High Wycombe, UK

Fascinating list. I've never seen a Schacht lens, are there many around? And what's the rough conversion factor of DM/Euros Carsten?
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Bruce · Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 115 Location: Boston, Ma USA

and, wow, Kilfitt Makro-Kilar 2.8/40? 4th place on highest priced prime

LucisPictor · Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject:

1 € = 1,956 DM

http://www.der-euro.de/euro2/euroum.html

"One kilo of bread was about DM 1.30 (today it's about € 4,-)."
So that is a price increase of about 600%!
Transferred to the lenses that would mean that the Tessar 2.8/50 today would cost about € 580,- ! Shocked

Following this price list, there seems to have been a kind of "ranking" for the most valuable lenses:

1. Kilfitt
2. Schneider
2. Carl Zeiss Jena
4. Schacht
6. Isco (with a considerable gap between 4. and 6.)
6. Meyer
7. Enna
8. Ludwig
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LucisPictor · Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject:

Here are some more prices:

CZJ
Sonnar 2.8/180: DM 643,-
Sonnar 4/300: DM 895,-

Meyer
Orestor 4/200: DM 262,-
Tele-Orestor 4.5/300: DM 330,-

Enna
Tele-Ennalyt 4.5/240: DM 219,-

Isco
Tele-Westanar 4/180: DM 237,-
Tele-Isconar 2.8/180: DM 375,-

Schacht
Tele-Travelon 4/200: DM 303,-
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lahnet · Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Posts: 569 Location: Denmark

CZJ Sonnar 4/135: DM 297,-* [i][u] That is the best buy on the list, I think (price/quality)

Is it possible to show the list (scan?) it is really interesting.
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montecarlo · Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 1471 Location: Romania

Nice information. Weird is that the CZJ Flek 20/4 is more expensive than the CZJ Pancolar 75/1.4 because as I know the last one was made in much more less copies (together with the Pancolar 55/1.4, the kit lens of the Pentacon Super SLR).
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Attila · Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 14626 Location: Budapest,Hungary

CZJ Pancolar 1.4/75: DM 545,-

I really wish to see any copy from this lens.
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Niko · Joined: 10 Jun 2008 Posts: 19 Location: Hessen, Germany