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niblue
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| Attila wrote: | | And lot others, like Nikon etc , M42 ass of pain... |
M42 couldn't be easier and I've seen some posts from people using older Nikon lenses directly on K-mount bodies with adaptors.
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Abbazz
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| Attila wrote: | | Pentax and M42 has same register distance , imagine how difficult to build and use an adapter. |
Attila, I guess you are confusing with Nikon cameras. Because of the registration distance, M42 lenses cannot be used on Nikon cameras, except when using special adaptation rings with a built-in optical element (but the additional lens adds some aberrations).
On the other hand, the Pentax K bayonet was created especially to allow easy mounting of M42 lenses. The registration distance of the two mounts is the same (45.46mm) but the Pentax K has a slightly larger diameter, allowing for the adapter ring to slip in between the lens and the camera mount. Right from the beginning, an M42/PK lens adapter has been made available by Pentax. I remember using one in the late 1970s with my first SLR, a Pentax MX.
As mentioned at the beginning of this thread, the Pentax K10d not only allows me to mount M42 lenses easily, but it also allows me to use image stabilization and AF focus confirmation right out of the box (no need for these "chipped" adapters like on my Canon).
Except for wide angles, I always switch to my K10d when I plan to use M42 or Tamron Adaptall lenses, because it is much more usable than a Canon with these lenses. On the Pentax, all the Tamron Adaptall lenses perform exactly like native Pentax KA lenses, with the all the auto-exposure modes available and the control of the aperture on the camera body. And with the help of the 1.7x AF adapter, my Tamron Adaptall 300/2.8 and 180/2.5 turn magically into multimegabucks superfast autofocus lenses...
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Attila
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:49 am Post subject: |
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I not mixed with Nikon, I thought not to easy to connect an adapter inside into the bajonet instead of connect onto the bajonet, but seems not a problem many of you say this is fine.
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xtriky
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| Orio wrote: | I would be more careful in not damaging the lenses if they are worth more than 100 Euros. You can always have the camera repaired by any Pentax service, while once the lens is screwed up by improper surgery, it is trash, and old manual lenses are not easily replaced because they are not in production anymore.
Also it is my opinion that we should respect these old lenses and modify them only if absolutely necessary.
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Long time reader, first time poster. I am the one who did the lens mount swapping approach for C/Y Yashica ML and P/K. This method is easy to do and totally reversible. It takes about 5 mins to unscrew and srew the mount flanges back to each lens to bring them back to the original state. I have no idea about the possbility to do the same thing on CZ C/Y lenses because I don't have any of them to experiment.
I also mount old Nikkors directly to my K10D. Everything works fine, no problem at all. Infinity focus is just as other P/K lenses. This should due to the small difference in register distance of P/K and Nikon F mount systems. For small lenses (mine is Nikkor-O 2/35), they can stay firmly on the K10D even though not being locked. For big lenses (Vivitar Series 1 70-210 f3.5), I did the mount swapping method as for C/Y lenses and the problem is gone. A small problem is that the lens will focus beyond infinity (just a little bit).
I think the following lens mounts can be potentially fitted on P/K (45.46mm): M42 (45.46mm) (for sure, easy and perfect), C/Y (45.5mm), Olympus OM (46mm), Nikon F (46.5mm) and Leica R (47mm). I am looking for some cheap OM and Leica R lenses to see how they work on my K10D.
As an ex-owner of Canon 300D/350D/400D, I have to say that Pentax K100D/10D outperfroms the Canon Rebel xxD regarding their usage with manual lenses. Yeah, Canon takes advantage of having more choices for manual lenses but the options for P/K above are quite enough for me by now.
To anyone who doesn't know yet: The metering problem of K10D with pre-A lenses can be fixed by changing the factory focusing sreen to the one of istD model. I haven't done it yet but lots of people confirmed that it worked perfectly. |
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Attila
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:36 am Post subject: |
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Welcome to aboard! Hopefully you will share more from your experience! Thank you for your first post! Please fill your location!
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Meyer: 4.5/35mm Primagon,Primoplan 1.9/58mm,1.9/75mm,2.8/100mm,Orestegor 2.8/135mm,4.5/40 Helioplan
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Orio
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| xtriky wrote: |
To anyone who doesn't know yet: The metering problem of K10D with pre-A lenses can be fixed by changing the factory focusing sreen to the one of istD model. I haven't done it yet but lots of people confirmed that it worked perfectly. |
Same here with the EOS 5D, after having installed the Ee-s optional screen for manual lenses, the metering is close to perfect.
With the standard screen, it was a tragedy.
I wonder of what kind of crap they are selling us with the standard screens.
But hey standard screens are for crappy autofocus so thinking twice, screens must be crappy also  
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Jesito
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| Abbazz wrote: |
As mentioned at the beginning of this thread, the Pentax K10d not only allows me to mount M42 lenses easily, but it also allows me to use image stabilization and AF focus confirmation right out of the box (no need for these "chipped" adapters like on my Canon).
Except for wide angles, I always switch to my K10d when I plan to use M42 or Tamron Adaptall lenses, because it is much more usable than a Canon with these lenses. On the Pentax, all the Tamron Adaptall lenses perform exactly like native Pentax KA lenses, with the all the auto-exposure modes available and the control of the aperture on the camera body. And with the help of the 1.7x AF adapter, my Tamron Adaptall 300/2.8 and 180/2.5 turn magically into multimegabucks superfast autofocus lenses...
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Hi Abbazz!
Would this apply as well to the K110D?. There is a rebate on a large local retailer and they are selling the K110D with a 18-55 lens by 379,00 €. I was looking for an Oly E-300 second hand, but prices are going up to around 300€, so a K110d could be an alternative. All my lenses (but three of them) are M42, and I got a C/Y and two Adaptall-2 Tamrons, so your description has raised nice expectatives to me...
Best regards,
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Abbazz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| Jesito wrote: | | Would this apply as well to the K110D? |
Jes,
I have never tried the K110D, so I cannot guarantee it will work in the same manner as the K10D with manual focus lenses. However, I see no reason why it shouldn't, with the exception of the image stabilization feature (Antishake in Pentax jargon), which the K110D is lacking.
With an M42 to PK adapter ($15 to 30), you will be able to use all your M42 lenses, present and future, in aperture priority mode (Av) with AF confirmation. Not bad...
Your Tamron lenses will behave exactly as Pentax "A" lenses with the help of a Tamron PK/A Adaptall-2 ring. This adapter is not really rare, but it is highly sought after on eBay, leading to insane prices (> $100). However, I suggest you buy an old Tamron zoom from a thrift shop for a few dollars with the precious PK/A ring attached. That's why I have now three copies of the 80-210/3.8-4 zoom -- a rather good lens, but almost no resell value on the market... Please note that the more common PK/M adapter will make your lenses behave like Pentax "K" or "M" lenses, without the ability to control the lens aperture from the camera.
For the C/Y lens, please refer to the links provided by Niblue earlier in this thread.
Cheers!
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Jesito
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| Abbazz wrote: |
With an M42 to PK adapter ($15 to 30), you will be able to use all your M42 lenses, present and future, in aperture priority mode (Av) with AF confirmation. Not bad...
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Hi Abbazz,
That's what most appeals me. (I can live without image stabilization, I'm used to, but the AF confirmation would be very useful).
Thanks for the feeback!.
Best regards,
Jes.
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Fixed CZJ Planar 50mm 1.7, Helios 44-2, Cosinon 28mm, CZJ Sonnar 135, Industar-61, Jupiter-9, Industar-50, CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8
DSLR Canon 350D, Pentax K10D
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Agfa Isolette II, Mamiya 645E, Petri 6x45, Nettar
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xtriky
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| I had a K110D before upgrading to K10D so I can confirm that K110D works in the same manner with MF lenses as K10D (except for SR feature). A good thing about K110D is that it does not have metering problem with pre-A lens like K10D has. Thus, my advice is "go for it". |
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niblue
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| xtriky wrote: | | I had a K110D before upgrading to K10D so I can confirm that K110D works in the same manner with MF lenses as K10D (except for SR feature). A good thing about K110D is that it does not have metering problem with pre-A lens like K10D has. Thus, my advice is "go for it". |
If you're going for a body with SR then it might also be worth considering buying a used *istDS or *istD if you can find one for a good price. They also have no metering problems with the older lenses. I've got a K10D and a *istDS and I've been using the latter more with the M42 lenses.
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Jesito
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Thanks niblue and xtriki for the advice!.
I'll give a walk to the shopping center where I saw the K110D offer, to see if the have any *1st, and to what price.
Best regards,
Jes.
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Zooms Sigma 18-200, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro (Adaptall)
Fixed CZJ Planar 50mm 1.7, Helios 44-2, Cosinon 28mm, CZJ Sonnar 135, Industar-61, Jupiter-9, Industar-50, CZJ Pancolar 50/1.8
DSLR Canon 350D, Pentax K10D
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Agfa Isolette II, Mamiya 645E, Petri 6x45, Nettar
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX I, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30, EXA500, EXA 1A
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Olympus 35RC, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret LR
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niblue
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:40 am Post subject: |
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I don't think I've tried the AF confirmation with the M42 lenses on the *istDS yet so I'll need to try that to confirm it works (I've definitely used it on at least one of the bodies where it was working great however I couldn't put my hand on heart and say for sure it was the *istDS, the K10D or both).
I only have the central AF sensor enabled on my cameras (I'm a traditionalist and don't get on with multiple AF points) and as I tend to compose with the main subject off centre (a devotee to the rule of thirds!) I don't often bother with AF confirmation when using manual focus lenses.
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TDN
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| niblue wrote: | | I don't think I've tried the AF confirmation with the M42 lenses on the *istDS yet so I'll need to try that to confirm it works (I've definitely used it on at least one of the bodies where it was working great however I couldn't put my hand on heart and say for sure it was the *istDS, the K10D or both). |
AF confirm will work on the *ist series. It does on my DL 
Veyr interesting about those Nikkors, I will experiment with that. Old Nikon glass is often cheaper than the Pentax equivalent, prices have gone up lately for Pentax...
Tom
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montecarlo
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:42 pm Post subject: Samsung GX - 1 S / L |
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Hello,
If you find instead a Samsung GX-1L or GX-1S its ok too (and at a good price). They are I think, IDENTICAL with Pentax *ist DL2 and Pentax *ist Ds2.
http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/camera/review/113/page_1.html
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2006_reviews/gx1l.html
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/samsung/digimax_gx1s-review/index.shtml
and the Pentax
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraDetail.php?cam=768
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