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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6624 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I found that Pentacons tend to have aperture problems, but Pancolars are even harder to find a good one...often the blades are stuck AND the focussing is stiff _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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semso
Joined: 11 Dec 2009 Posts: 152
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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semso wrote:
According http://www.slrlensreview.com/web/ Pancolar is not sharper than Pentacon
first tabel is pentacon
second pancolar
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Hi.
I know that test. I don't know the circumstances that envolved these tests. I don't know what that numbers mean. Why eg. 137 and not 135 or 138 ? Who determinated this? There aren't images to support the numbers. I prefer test with pics and text.
Anyway, I have both lenses and, beleave me, the pancolar is a better lens. The IQ of th CZJ is a different thing. The pentacon is a very good lens, of course with very good image at F/8-11, and the pancolar MC 1,8/50 is very good too from F/4 to 11, but the last produce an image at F/5,6-8 that doesn't the pentacon. And better build too.
In B&W film I like the coldest rendering of the pentacon.
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
From a point of view - what to buy from Ebay the story is:
Though Pentacon is decribed as fully working in Ebay advert only 6 out of 10 will be optimally sharp due to different errors (not all production series were good).
9 out of 10 Pancolars will produce optimal sharpness (higher quality standards).
But then again, you will pay minimum 50 EUR for nice Panco, whereas you might get Pentacon for 15 EUR. There is a saying that could be applied here also: "If you buy cheap you buy twice."
Check my nick bytheway . _________________ ---------------------------------
The Peculiar Apparatus Of Victorian Steampunk Photography: 100+ Genuine Steampunk Camera Designs https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B92829NS |
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semso
Joined: 11 Dec 2009 Posts: 152
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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semso wrote:
You can buy Pentacon for next to nothing (I have a four of them).
Look at last buy (only 4 euros)
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Lucky you. Take them all if you can . I guess the price will stop rising around 30-40 EUR for good looking Pentacon and 100 EUR for Pancolar. Don't forget about demand in Asia . _________________ ---------------------------------
The Peculiar Apparatus Of Victorian Steampunk Photography: 100+ Genuine Steampunk Camera Designs https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B92829NS |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Here, in Argentina, both are near u$s 50. Yes, pentacon isn't cheap at all.
Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Or check prices reached from Greece sellers. It makes me wanna buy a lorry, pack my collection and rent a flat on Greek coast . _________________ ---------------------------------
The Peculiar Apparatus Of Victorian Steampunk Photography: 100+ Genuine Steampunk Camera Designs https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B92829NS
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6943 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Whichever lens you pick you will have a very sharp optic at all apertures. They're both very and there isn't enough in it for me to pick the best. I have the Pentacon and love it. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
For the millionth time we find that sharpness is only one factor among many that determine what an individual may like in a lens. Lively discourse as on this thread helps us all understand better what we are doing
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5019 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
patrickh wrote: |
For the millionth time we find that sharpness is only one factor among many that determine what an individual may like in a lens. Lively discourse as on this thread helps us all understand better what we are doing
patrickh |
But it's the end result that counts from a lens on a print or whatever...and most people naturally prefer sharpness that's why we use spectacles, and would you want a tv or computer monitor fuzzy, and who wants to see blurred pictures at a cinema.....for me sharpness is all i.e. LPM, because I like the backup of being able to crop and can add contrast and exposure later. _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from good to excellent. |
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William
Joined: 26 Nov 2009 Posts: 489 Location: London
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:20 am Post subject: |
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William wrote:
I am a fan of the Pentacon and it's blueish tendencies, it is certainly a lot more common on UK ebay than the Pancolar and a third to half the price. It is a shame that the preset version is comparatively rare. |
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keks
Joined: 04 Mar 2010 Posts: 2
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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keks wrote:
I have found this lens in my friends garage in a hard leather case
It says PENTACON Prakticar 1:1.8 f=50mm MC
made in german democratic republic
4991030
looks like new.
my question is how can i use it on my canon 7d body i shoot video most of the time
Thanks |
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hexi
Joined: 01 Jul 2009 Posts: 1631 Location: France
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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hexi wrote:
Nice comparison, and the slrreview site is a good one as well for a potential lens buy ... anyway .
I shot some b&w images with the Meyer Oreston, which is actually Pentacon, mostly wide open, f2.8 max. I was very happy with the results, contrast and blur. Now i have also the Pancolar ( from a member here ) and i'm impatient to try them on DSLR. The older rendition of the Pentacon doesn't disturb me at all, this lens proved reliable. So i think was the Pancolar. _________________ Happy owner and user of :
SLR's > Contax Aria - RX
DSLR > Canon 5D
Lenses : C/Y Planar 1.4/50 - Distagon 2.8/35 - Planar 1.4/85
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6624 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
keks wrote: |
I have found this lens in my friends garage in a hard leather case
It says PENTACON Prakticar 1:1.8 f=50mm MC
made in german democratic republic
4991030
looks like new.
my question is how can i use it on my canon 7d body i shoot video most of the time
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Yes, but you will need a Praktica PB -> EOS adapter and it probably won't focus to infinity But it will be great for portraits where it will act like an 80mm f1.8 lens
And Hexi, where is that 5D?! _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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hexi
Joined: 01 Jul 2009 Posts: 1631 Location: France
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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hexi wrote:
Shrek wrote: |
And Hexi, where is that 5D?! |
Its being held captive by trifox !
Joking of course, i wanted him to fully try the camera before sending it to me, but the seller didn't provided a fully working battery which makes the tests very difficult. I'm confident though Trifox proved fantastic commercial skills !! _________________ Happy owner and user of :
SLR's > Contax Aria - RX
DSLR > Canon 5D
Lenses : C/Y Planar 1.4/50 - Distagon 2.8/35 - Planar 1.4/85
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sonnar85 |
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keks
Joined: 04 Mar 2010 Posts: 2
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:28 am Post subject: |
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keks wrote:
Shrek wrote: |
keks wrote: |
I have found this lens in my friends garage in a hard leather case
It says PENTACON Prakticar 1:1.8 f=50mm MC
made in german democratic republic
4991030
looks like new.
my question is how can i use it on my canon 7d body i shoot video most of the time
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Yes, but you will need a Praktica PB -> EOS adapter and it probably won't focus to infinity But it will be great for portraits where it will act like an 80mm f1.8 lens
And Hexi, where is that 5D?! |
Is it Praktica PB -B ?
like this one
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Prakticar-PB-B-Mount-Lens-to-Canon-EOS-EF-Mount-Adapter_W0QQitemZ360181074233QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxq20091018?IMSfp=TL091018137004r5034 |
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my_photography
Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 2772 Location: Pearl of the Orient
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:17 am Post subject: |
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my_photography wrote:
Thanks for the comparison. The advantage if I can call it that of the Pancolar 50/1.8 as compared to Pentacon 50/1.8 is not big at all, at least not from my eyes. _________________
Zeiss: CJZ Flektogon 20/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 20/4, , CJZ Pentacon 29/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 35/2.4, CJZ Pancolar 50/1.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Biotar 7.5cm/1.5, CJZ Pancolar 80/1.8, CJZ Sonnar 135/3.5, CJZ Pentacon 135/2.8 CJZ Sonnar 200/2.8
Other Germany: Meyer Primoplan 50/1.8, Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8
Takumar: SMC 50/1.4 Super Tak 55/2, Super Tak 85/1.9, S-M-C 135/3.5, Super Tak 150/4
Russian: Zenith 16/2.8, Mir-24M 2/35, Volna-9 50/2.8, Helios 44M (58/2), Helios 44M-3 MC (58/2), Helios 40 (85/1.5), Tair 11A (135/2.8 )
Others: Sears 28/2.8, Sankor 35/2.8, Enna M�nchen Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5
Zoom Sigma Zoom 28-85/3.5-4.5
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Kozmonauta
Joined: 22 Aug 2010 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:11 pm Post subject: my pentacon with extension tube |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7537 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: my pentacon with extension tube |
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calvin83 wrote:
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Welcome Kozmonauta! It might be late but I think it is worth to show your nice photos to the reader of this forum. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
The best lens is the one you have with you. |
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