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trifox
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 Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:17 am Post subject: Pancolar 1.8/50 vs CZ Makro-Planar 2.8/60 - a little quiz :) |
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trifox wrote:
Hi there -- shooting our christmas tree --
Let's do some quiz - please tell me, if you see any difference between the QUALITY of the picture 1 and 2 
There are 2 pictures taken by 2 different lenses = Pancolar 1.8/50 and Carl Zeiss Makro-Planar 2.8/60..
n1 --- which lens is this one ?
n2 --- which lens is this one?
happy new year 2009
yours
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:27 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Pretty impossible mission to find out which one for sure. Orio did it already best CZ vs some Russian. I wasn't sure at all which one is.
I guess second is Macro lens.
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trifox
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:32 am Post subject: |
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trifox wrote:
OK,
let's wait for some other members -- I increased the larger size to 1600 px to see more details on them
I will announce the result by this morning until 12 am ...
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cilinderman
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:38 am Post subject: |
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cilinderman wrote:
Second is Macro for sure  . SEcond = more DoF .
SO first one is Pancolar .
Nice quiz and nice photos!
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photo
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:07 am Post subject: |
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photo wrote:
first is better, must be the macro |
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no-X
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:57 am Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
The second string shows more glare/glow. It's typical for Pancolar at f/1.8, but I have no experience with macro Planar, so it's only my poor tip
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trifox
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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trifox wrote:
Thanks guys for looking
Here is the result promised to be announced today
1. picture was taken by Carl Zeiss Makro-Planar 2.8/60
2. picture was taken by Pancolar 1.8/50 Aus Jena -- (zebra version)
I would add -- I bought Pancolar because of Attila's reference ! -- It's an excellent glass...
Both pictures at f/8 + flash -- hand held ... sharpness in camera at level 0 -- It was adjusted in Light Room -- no too much..
tf
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cilinderman
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cilinderman wrote:
Awesome! I've been absolutely tricked  .
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trifox
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| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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trifox wrote:
Yes! I was amazed as well ..
My recommendation is : Pancolar 1.8/50 aus jena is SUPERB lens ..
tf
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Orio wrote:
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Here is the result promised to be announced today
1. picture was taken by Carl Zeiss Makro-Planar 2.8/60
2. picture was taken by Pancolar 1.8/50 Aus Jena -- (zebra version)
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I noticed this thread just now.
I usually play with these threads they are fun
I played this too and did not cheat - I did not read in advance - and I guessed right 
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tuananhmap
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tuananhmap wrote:
1 is Pancolar
2 is contax
because I feel (2) get clearer in edge than (1), and (2) get more color.
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my_photography wrote:
Even after seeing the result, I still cannot tell the difference. 
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patrickh wrote:
Quite a performance from the Pancolar, given how close it is to the Makro Planar, which is well known for its sharpness and other attributes. When price goes into the equation..... 
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hasan
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:27 am Post subject: |
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hasan wrote:
Wow. Very close IQ.
Without looking at postings before, I'd say 1st Planar 2nd Pancolar
PS: Dang, I've been folled aswell. Impressive Pancolar!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:44 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
So very close!!
I don't have any of these lenses, so there is no chance for me to tell.
I guessed that the second one was the Macro-Zeiss, because I thought I saw a tiny bit more details. But then, I would not have bet on it.
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Uzay wrote:
Pancolar is a terrifis lens IMO, i have one and it's the most used manual lens in my cabinet (even though i cannot reach to infinity)
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Carlsson wrote:
Nice Stan!
without further reading, #1 MP, #2 Pancolar, I have noticed the tiny yellowish color cast and a different FOV
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