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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 12895 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: Only one using Contax G? |
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Am I the only one using Contax G here?
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F16SUNSHINE


Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 2717 Location: Anacortes Washington
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Orio
I had a G1 green label with the planar 45 f2 and sonnar 90 2.8 . I sold the camera and lenses a few months back. It is a great system. I just did not use it much. Auto focus, auto wind/rewind and the noise that went with it I did not like. Michelle and I both would grab the CL or a Yashica before the G1. That 45 planar is truly an astounding lens however. I think the camera was just a poor fit for me. Rangefinders should be quiet.
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 12895 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:34 am Post subject: |
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When I bought the G2 I didn't know it was autofocus! I was not much informed and I was convinced at the time that Zeiss only made MF equipment.
However it is possible to switch to manual focus and actually the focusing wheel is a fantastic way to manual focus, because you don't have to move the hand away from the shutter. The rangefinder is coupled and very precise and in fact manual focusing the G2 is preferable in most of the photographic cases.
I agree about the sound but I never thought of the G2 as the kind of camera you use in churches or theaters - a compact rangefinder such as the Canonette is much better suited for that.
I have come to conceive the G2 for what it really shines in: taking top quality photographs. Comparing the slides taken with the G2 with those taken with the 167MT and my beautiful reflex lenses is a shock. The G2 is merciless, it wins so much hands down. The quality of the lenses - particularly the Planar 45 and Biogon 28 - is nothing short of impressive. The quality and quantity of detail, and above all the clarity of image, of the rangefinder lenses, wins over all the reflex Contax lenses that I have. _________________ _
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F16SUNSHINE


Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 2717 Location: Anacortes Washington
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: |
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| Rangefinders truly do have the edge when it comes to overall image quality. The G2 from my understanding has an updated and much improved MF system from my G1. The G1 did not focus manually very well (or auto in all but really strong light). It was much more scale focusing than true rangefinder manual focus. I always felt I was just guessing distance and hoping for the best. The CL or one of my little fixed lens rangefinders gave more control and were much quieter. Before I bought the 40D I seriously thought of putting off Digital a bit longer and building a Zeiss Ikon system. It did not make sense from a workflow standpoint and I have enough small format rangefinders to stay busy. If budget was not an issue I would have an M-8 system. Not because of the "Leica name" to the contrary, most of the lenses I desire in M mount are Zeiss. I also have one Cosina M on my CL already and find it a fantastic performer and value (voightlander noktot 40mm f1.4). Cosina/voightlander also has many serious options for M mount wide angle lenses. This is really tempting. How does a mostly amateur justify paying for an M8 ? Do you think any other manufacturers will ever offer a digital RF that can be affordable? Epson has the rds1 but $2500+ for 6mp cosina made camera is hardly affordable or good value. |
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LucisPictor


Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 8049 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| F16SUNSHINE wrote: | | Do you think any other manufacturers will ever offer a digital RF that can be affordable? |
An affordable digital RF, like an 8 MPix Bessa , would be a dream. But I don't think that there are good chances to have that one day...
People are too much into DSLRs.
| Orio wrote: | Am I the only one using Contax G here?
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I would love to have one, and I once shot some pics with a G1 from a friend, but they still are pretty expensive. _________________ There are two kinds of people in the world: those who divide the world into two kinds of people, and those who don’t.
"KAPCTEH" | "Karusutenu" | "Carsten" | T-shirt?
Cams in use: EOS 40D, EOS 350D, EOS 50e, EOS 500, Spotmatic SPII, EXA I & 1c, Zenit EM; Oly 35RC,Minolta Hi-Matic E & F, Ricoh 500RF, Yashica Electro 35 GS, FED-3b and some others...
Lenses in use: Asahi Pentax: 2.8/28;3.5/35;1.4/50;1.7/50;2.8/105;3.5/135;28-80 | Canon (AF):1.8/50;17-85;75-300 | Former GDR: CZJ Flek 4/20; Pentacon 3.5/30; Pentaflex 1.8/50; CZJ 2.8/50; CZJ 4/135; Pentacon 4/200 | Fujinon: 43-75 on sale! | Hanimex: 3.5/23 on sale!; 4/100;80-200 | Hoya: 25-42;80-205 | Leica: Elmarit-R 2.8/35; Summicron 2.0/50 | Mamiya: 1.8/55 | Minolta: 1.7/50 | Nikkor: 2.8/24;2/35;2/50;1.2/55;1.8/85;3.5/135 | West German: Zeiss 2.8/50; Ludwig 2.9/50; Meyer 2.8/100; Will 4.5/105;Schneider 3.5/135;Enna 3.5/135; Zeiss 4/135;Isco 4/135; Enna 4.5/240 | Olympus: 3.5/28;1.4/50;3.5/135 | Rikenon: 1.7/50 on sale!;35-70 | Rollei/Voigtländer: 1.4/55;1.8/50 | Russian: Peleng3.5/8; Zenitar2.8/16; MIR2.8/37; Volna2.8/50; Industar2.8/50; Industar3.5/50; Industar3.5/5cm; Helios2/50; Helios2/58; MIR38 3.5/65; Volna2.8/80; Jupiter2/85; Kaleinar2.8/100;Tair2.8/133; Jupiter3.5/135; Jupiter4/135;Telear3.5/200;Jupiter4/200; Tair4.5/300;RF: Jupiter2.8/35;Industar2.8/53 | Sigma: 28-85;28-105(AF);17-70(AF) | Soligor: 28-105;35-200;70-220 | Tamron: 2.5/24;2.5/135;60-300;70-210 | Tokina: 28-105;80-200;12-24(AF);70-210(AF) | Vivitar: 3.5/17;2/24 on sale!;2/28;2.5/28;2.8/28 | Yashica: 2/5cm | Other Japanese: Cosina3.8/20; Albinar2.8/28; Porst1.8/35; Beroflex 8/500; Spiratone28-200; Maginon70-210
Green are the lenses I shoot the most.
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Richard_D


Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2397 Location: Faversham Kent UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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I drooled over one (G2) in the local camera shop - a cased set with 28, 45 and 90 lenses, but it was beyond my means  _________________ Richard
The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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spkennedy3000


Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 324 Location: London
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Orio and any other G fans.
The G2 has been a dream camera for me since it came out.
I would love to buy one, with the 21mm biogon especially, but I struggle to justify the purchase. However, although it is still not cheap, compared to what it cost when it first came out, it has become relatively affordable.
Would you tell a little more about what it is like to use, especially relative to your 5D (Orio)?
How do the images compare when used with top quality film to those made by the 5d?
Thanks very much,
Simon _________________ G2 21 28 45 90
5d with flek 35mm f2.4 and zuiko 18mm f3.5, zuiko 24mm f2.8, zuiko 28mm f2.8, Canon EF 50mm f1.4, Nikon 105mm f2.5. |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 12895 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| spkennedy3000 wrote: | Hi Orio and any other G fans.
The G2 has been a dream camera for me since it came out.
I would love to buy one, with the 21mm biogon especially, but I struggle to justify the purchase. However, although it is still not cheap, compared to what it cost when it first came out, it has become relatively affordable.
Would you tell a little more about what it is like to use, especially relative to your 5D (Orio)?
How do the images compare when used with top quality film to those made by the 5d?
Thanks very much,
Simon |
Scanning at the same resolution of the 5D, the digital image obviously is much cleaner, because even the best film has some grain, while the 5D at 50 or 100 ISO virtually has none.
However, at the resolution for making small prints (like 12x18 cm), there is virtually no difference.
But film, regardless of what hardcore fans of digital say, still delivers an atmosphere that digital can't. What is it, I can't explain scientifically. Yet it's there to see.
Plus of course, the quality of rangefinder lenses, especially in the wide angles, is something that reflex cameras can not just achieve.
I have already posted one image today made with G2 and Biogon 28mm, you can find the thread in the Lenses forum. I will post more G2 images today, that will show - I think - what the combination of B&W film + rangefinder lenses can achieve. _________________ _
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 12895 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a picture I took with the G2 and the Biogon 28mm.:
I think it illustrates well what I mean that the film can give a certain atmosphere that the digital (too clean, probably), can not.
However, as the following 100% crops will show, you still get high quality output.
The negative was scanned at half (3343 pixels larger side) of the maximum optical resolution of the scanner. So it shows half of the resolution potential of the G2.
These 100% crops have not been denoized, and have not been sharpened. I left them intact to show the potential, even when scanned with a consumer scanner like mine.
The second crop is a corner crop, and this shows the kind of corner quality you can expect from a Biogon lens.
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 12895 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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A quick and quite misfocused snapshot that I took of Monica (Sonnar 90). This image also shows that there is some kind of "live" film quality, that shows through also sloppy images:
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spkennedy3000


Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 324 Location: London
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Orio these look great.
Is the autofocus so very noisy? _________________ G2 21 28 45 90
5d with flek 35mm f2.4 and zuiko 18mm f3.5, zuiko 24mm f2.8, zuiko 28mm f2.8, Canon EF 50mm f1.4, Nikon 105mm f2.5. |
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spkennedy3000


Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 324 Location: London
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Whoopsie... just bought one... _________________ G2 21 28 45 90
5d with flek 35mm f2.4 and zuiko 18mm f3.5, zuiko 24mm f2.8, zuiko 28mm f2.8, Canon EF 50mm f1.4, Nikon 105mm f2.5. |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 12895 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| spkennedy3000 wrote: | Thanks Orio these look great.
Is the autofocus so very noisy? |
I'm afraid yes. But anyway, if you want to shoot in silence, the G2 is not the camera also if you use it in manual mode. The shutter is noisy also. A Canonet is better suited for shooting in silent places. _________________ _
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 12895 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| spkennedy3000 wrote: | | Whoopsie... just bought one... |
Congratulations, I feel less lonely now  _________________ _
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bob955i

Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 1852 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Orio wrote: | | film, regardless of what hardcore fans of digital say, still delivers an atmosphere that digital can't. What is it, I can't explain scientifically. Yet it's there to see. |
A tangible and natural sense of 'depth'.
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