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Richard_D


Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2226 Location: Faversham Kent UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:40 am Post subject: Nikkor 35mm f2 and Mir24N close up comparison |
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Not really an extensive test, or one carried out under contrlled conditions but some close up shots from each lens. Just for fun I'll reveal which was which later:
Lens A at f2:
Lens B at f2:
Lens A at f2.8:
Lens B at f2.8:
 _________________ Richard
The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2.8 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd, 300mm f4.5 AIS .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Jupiter 9 (85mm f2), Mir-24N (35mm f2),
Tair-11a (135mm f2.8 ) .
Other: Meyer-Gorlitz Trioplan 100mm f2.8 (M42), Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tokina 17mm f3.5 (AIS), Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP, Tamron 70-210 3.5(constant) .
DSLR: Nikon D200. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Nikon EL2, Pentax S1a.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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Seymore


Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 903 Location: Olympia, WA...
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:31 am Post subject: |
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I suspect A is the MIR and B is the Nikkor.
so what do I win Richard?  _________________ Seymore...
- smugmug
"One axiom I discovered proved to be of great value: the client seldom, if ever, knows exactly what he wants from the photographer. However, his pride does not allow him to give you any such ridiculous impression. The desire and need for interpretative work is usually uninformed and the client often looks to the professional for guidance in this respect.
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poilu


Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 2469 Location: Greece
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: |
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I don't see difference except the focus point changed between each shot. You really need a liveview
How was the spaghetti and the wine ?
I don't have any of those lens so I guess
I prefer B=nikkor but would be happy with A=mir _________________ Have a nice day
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Orio


Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 10764 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: |
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It is very difficult to tell which is what, for a number of reasons:
- small resize (100% size is essential to any predicting)
- artificial light (kills colour subleties and colour is a key factor for MIR)
- automatic white balancing in the machine evening out colour differences
- machined tools as subjects (it's easier to judge on natural objects, machined tools make all lenses look equally sharp)
- simple background (no objects in bg to evaluate)
- #2 has different focus points so direct comparison impossible
Based solely on the quality of the blur in the first image (without the other parameters described above), I'd say Mir=A - but it's more a hazard than an educated guess.
- _________________ _
ХОРИОС-61 ( ώρεος ) : Lens sana in corpore sano
Main Tools:
LENSES: Russian, Zeiss, Leitz, old Nikkors.
DSLR: Canon 5D, 400D. SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM, Nikon FM2, Canon 50E, Contax 167MT.
RANGEFINDERS: Contax G2, Canonette QL17. MEDIUM FORMAT: Pentacon 6, Zeiss Super Ikonta.
Read Full List HERE
www.timelessphotography.eu
www.oriofoto.net
"Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. " (George Orwell)
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Richard_D


Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2226 Location: Faversham Kent UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| poilu wrote: | I don't see difference except the focus point changed between each shot. You really need a liveview
How was the spaghetti and the wine ?
I don't have any of those lens so I guess
I prefer B=nikkor but would be happy with A=mir |
I had to move the tripod slightly to try and equalize the slightly different field of view, and yes the focusing was a little out
Both were excellent - Spaghetti with sinach, chickpeas, garlic and olive oil, dressed with parmesan and (sorry Orio) a Californian merlot.
As to liveview, if you can persuade my wife I need a D300... _________________ Richard
The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2.8 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd, 300mm f4.5 AIS .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Jupiter 9 (85mm f2), Mir-24N (35mm f2),
Tair-11a (135mm f2.8 ) .
Other: Meyer-Gorlitz Trioplan 100mm f2.8 (M42), Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tokina 17mm f3.5 (AIS), Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP, Tamron 70-210 3.5(constant) .
DSLR: Nikon D200. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Nikon EL2, Pentax S1a.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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Richard_D


Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2226 Location: Faversham Kent UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| Seymore wrote: | I suspect A is the MIR and B is the Nikkor.
so what do I win Richard?  |
Smug satisfaction or tooth grinding despair  _________________ Richard
The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2.8 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd, 300mm f4.5 AIS .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Jupiter 9 (85mm f2), Mir-24N (35mm f2),
Tair-11a (135mm f2.8 ) .
Other: Meyer-Gorlitz Trioplan 100mm f2.8 (M42), Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tokina 17mm f3.5 (AIS), Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP, Tamron 70-210 3.5(constant) .
DSLR: Nikon D200. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Nikon EL2, Pentax S1a.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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Richard_D


Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2226 Location: Faversham Kent UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| Orio wrote: | It is very difficult to tell which is what, for a number of reasons:
- small resize (100% size is essential to any predicting)
- artificial light (kills colour subleties and colour is a key factor for MIR)
- automatic white balancing in the machine evening out colour differences
- machined tools as subjects (it's easier to judge on natural objects, machined tools make all lenses look equally sharp)
- simple background (no objects in bg to evaluate)
- #2 has different focus points so direct comparison impossible
Based solely on the quality of the blur in the first image (without the other parameters described above), I'd say Mir=A - but it's more a hazard than an educated guess.
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Points taken, I'll bear them in mind for future comparisons. Both lenses are in my eyes superb performers anyway. _________________ Richard
The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2.8 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd, 300mm f4.5 AIS .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Jupiter 9 (85mm f2), Mir-24N (35mm f2),
Tair-11a (135mm f2.8 ) .
Other: Meyer-Gorlitz Trioplan 100mm f2.8 (M42), Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tokina 17mm f3.5 (AIS), Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP, Tamron 70-210 3.5(constant) .
DSLR: Nikon D200. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Nikon EL2, Pentax S1a.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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Orio


Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 10764 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| Richard_D wrote: |
Points taken, I'll bear them in mind for future comparisons. Both lenses are in my eyes superb performers anyway. |
PLease note, I don't want to be picky or difficult - it's just that telling one lens from another is a very difficult sport, and for giving a choice that is reasoned and not simply casual, one needs to have the most possible information in the image.
100% size, colour fidelity (using fixed Kelvin value instead of AWB) and variety in the background (for both number of objects and distances) are the most helpful indicators. _________________ _
ХОРИОС-61 ( ώρεος ) : Lens sana in corpore sano
Main Tools:
LENSES: Russian, Zeiss, Leitz, old Nikkors.
DSLR: Canon 5D, 400D. SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM, Nikon FM2, Canon 50E, Contax 167MT.
RANGEFINDERS: Contax G2, Canonette QL17. MEDIUM FORMAT: Pentacon 6, Zeiss Super Ikonta.
Read Full List HERE
www.timelessphotography.eu
www.oriofoto.net
"Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. " (George Orwell)
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Richard_D


Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2226 Location: Faversham Kent UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| Orio wrote: | | Richard_D wrote: |
Points taken, I'll bear them in mind for future comparisons. Both lenses are in my eyes superb performers anyway. |
PLease note, I don't want to be picky or difficult - it's just that telling one lens from another is a very difficult sport, and for giving a choice that is reasoned and not simply casual, one needs to have the most possible information in the image.
100% size, colour fidelity (using fixed Kelvin value instead of AWB) and variety in the background (for both number of objects and distances) are the most helpful indicators. |
Don't worry - I wasn't offended, I'm grateful for the advice, sorry if I came across short. _________________ Richard
The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2.8 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd, 300mm f4.5 AIS .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Jupiter 9 (85mm f2), Mir-24N (35mm f2),
Tair-11a (135mm f2.8 ) .
Other: Meyer-Gorlitz Trioplan 100mm f2.8 (M42), Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tokina 17mm f3.5 (AIS), Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP, Tamron 70-210 3.5(constant) .
DSLR: Nikon D200. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Nikon EL2, Pentax S1a.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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Richard_D


Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2226 Location: Faversham Kent UK
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: |
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I forgot to say yes A was the Mir24n... _________________ Richard
The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2.8 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd, 300mm f4.5 AIS .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Jupiter 9 (85mm f2), Mir-24N (35mm f2),
Tair-11a (135mm f2.8 ) .
Other: Meyer-Gorlitz Trioplan 100mm f2.8 (M42), Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tokina 17mm f3.5 (AIS), Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP, Tamron 70-210 3.5(constant) .
DSLR: Nikon D200. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Nikon EL2, Pentax S1a.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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LucisPictor


Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 6666 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Despite the AWB the MIR shots seem warmer to me... _________________ "Schnäppchenjäger" | "KAPCTEH" | "Karusutenu" | "Carsten" | T-shirt?
Cams in use: EOS 40D, EOS 350D, EOS500, Spotmatic SPII, Yashica-24, EXA I & 1c, Zenit EM; Oly 35RC,Minolta Hi-Matic E & F, Ricoh 500RF, Yashica Electro 35 GS, FED-3b and some others...
Lenses in use:
Asahi Pentax: 2.8/28;3.5/35;1.4/50;1.7/50;2.8/105;28-80
Canon (AF):1.8/50;17-85;75-300
Former GDR: Pentacon 3.5/30; Pentaflex 1.8/50; CZJ 2.8/50; CZJ 4/135; Pentacon 4/200
Fujinon: 43-75
Hanimex: 3.5/23; 4/100;80-200
Hoya: 25-42;80-205
Kiron: 2/28;70-210
Leica: Elmarit-R 2.8/35
Minolta: 1.7/50
Nikkor: 2.8/24;2/35;2/50;1.2/55;1.8/85;3.5/135
West German: Ludwig 2.9/50; Meyer 2.8/100; Will 4.5/105; Enna 3.5/135; Zeiss 4/135;Isco 4/135; Enna 4.5/240
Olympus: 3.5/28;1.4/50;3.5/135
Rikenon: 1.7/50;35-70
Rollei/Voigtländer: 1.4/55;1.8/50
Russian: Peleng3.5/8;Zenitar2.8/16;MIR2.8/37;Volna2.8/50;Industar3.5/50;Industar3.5/5cm;Helios2/50;Helios2/58;Volna2.8/80;Jupiter2/85;Kaleinar2.8/100;Tair2.8/135;Jupiter3.5/135;Jupiter4/135;Telear3.5/200;Jupiter4/200;Tair4.5/300;RF: Jupiter2.8/35;Industar2.8/53
Sigma: 28-85;28-105(AF);17-70(AF)
Soligor: 28-105;35-200;70-220
Tamron: 2.5/24;2.5/135;2.8/135;60-300;70-210
Tokina: 28-105;80-200;12-24(AF);70-210(AF);
Vivitar: 3.5/17;2/24;2/28;2.5/28;2.8/28
Yashica: 1.7/50;2/5cm
Other Japanese:Cosina3.8/20;Petri2.8/28;Albinar2.8/28;Porst1.8/35,2.8/135;Tomioka1.4/55;Weltblick3.5/135;Opticam2.8/135;Beroflex 8/500;Spiratone28-200;Maginon70-210
Green are the lenses I shoot the most.
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Flor27


Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 1154 Location: Paris, France
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Any lens comparison test should include a basic distortion test and corners performance (shot ot a brick wall or something flat and with vertical & horizontal lines) this is especially usefull for wide angle lenses
Yesterday in the train, I did this test and I was shocked to see that a Takumar 55/2 had a very pronounced barrel distortion side by side an Helios-44-2 58/2 ... _________________ Switching from M42 to Minolta MD & Contax/Yashica |
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Seymore


Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 903 Location: Olympia, WA...
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| Richard_D wrote: | | I forgot to say yes A was the Mir24n... |
I was looking at the colors and the saturation when I made my prediction/guess above. Knowing that the Nikkors are more bland/flat in their colors led me to my statement above.
So, what "PRIZE" do I win?  _________________ Seymore...
- smugmug
"One axiom I discovered proved to be of great value: the client seldom, if ever, knows exactly what he wants from the photographer. However, his pride does not allow him to give you any such ridiculous impression. The desire and need for interpretative work is usually uninformed and the client often looks to the professional for guidance in this respect.
Ansel Adams - An Autobiography |
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Orio


Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 10764 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: |
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I look again and again and I can not see any difference in the colouring. They seem identical to me. only difference is that the Nikkor photos are fractionally darker. _________________ _
ХОРИОС-61 ( ώρεος ) : Lens sana in corpore sano
Main Tools:
LENSES: Russian, Zeiss, Leitz, old Nikkors.
DSLR: Canon 5D, 400D. SLR: Voigtländer Bessaflex TM, Nikon FM2, Canon 50E, Contax 167MT.
RANGEFINDERS: Contax G2, Canonette QL17. MEDIUM FORMAT: Pentacon 6, Zeiss Super Ikonta.
Read Full List HERE
www.timelessphotography.eu
www.oriofoto.net
"Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. " (George Orwell)
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patrickh

Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 2673 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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I think the Mir does uncommonly well in the comparison, from what one can determine with the two shots. Remember the 35/2 nikkor is one of their more highly regarded lenses - I know I love mine. Then also - compare prices and do the value for money thing.
patrickh
PS down the road I am certainly going to try the Mir. _________________ DSLR: Nikon D70 Nikon D200 Canon 40D
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, Nikkor 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 3004.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Kiron 28/2 Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Flektogon 35/2.4, Curtagon 35/4, Arsat 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro,Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Industar 50/3.5, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Jupiter 135/4, Jupiter 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8 Jupiter 200/4
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8 |
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