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wolan
Joined: 30 Jun 2015 Posts: 576 Location: Zurich
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:32 am Post subject: Next macro lens |
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wolan wrote:
Hi,
as I do a lot of macro photography I'd like to buy a new MF macro lens with the following characteristics (in order of priority):
- excellent to exceptional bokeh
- very good sharpness
- ideally 1:1, but 1:2 is ok too.
- in the short telephoto range: somewhere between 80 - 135mm
- as compact as it goes
I did some research and I think the so called Bokina, Tokina AT-X 2.5/90mm, seems to be the best option here.
Do you have other suggestions?
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
The Bokina is an excellent choice, but don't overlook the Tamron SP 90mm f/2.5 macro. It's 1:2 but I've never found that to be a drawback with mine. Truly an incredibly sharp lens and it renders nice bokeh too.
This is actually a crop of a shot I took with my old 10.1 mp Canon XS and the Tamron macro:
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16497 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Well, I would recommend the CV Apo Lanthar 2.5/125mm, as nothing beats this one IMHO,
but that comes at a price... _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
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Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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jamaeolus
Joined: 19 Mar 2014 Posts: 2913 Location: Eugene
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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jamaeolus wrote:
Bokina is a great lens and my go to for that FL for macro. Another great one to consider is the Kiron (aka Lester Dine, aka vivtar series 1) in 105 2.8. I have one of these in the plain vivitar labeliling (Not series 1). _________________ photos are moments frozen in time |
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10462 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
SMC TAKUMAR 1:4/100 _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto
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marcusBMG
Joined: 07 Dec 2012 Posts: 1301 Location: Conwy N Wales
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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marcusBMG wrote:
They're all good: pentax 90mm, vivitar (komine, 1:1) 90mm, vivitar (kiron = Lester Dine) 100mm/105mm; Tokina/vivitar (bokina) 90mm, tamron adaptall 90mm... looking at tests, pics online, and IME, it's more about how you use it, your lighting etc than the lens!
The tamron adaptall 52B/52BB is the most readily available and typically cheapest. One small quibble: you can get sensor reflections with this lens. In the UK it's not difficult to pick up a decent one for around fifty quid. And you get 1:1 with the dedicated extension tube, or generic extension tubes to match your mount, or the 2x 01F tc. Next cheapest/available is the komine viv or the pentaxes. _________________ pentax ME super (retired)
Pentax K3-ii; pentax K-S2; Samsung NX 20; Lumix G1 + adapters;
Adaptall collection (proliferating!) inc 200-500mm 31A, 300mm f2.8, 400mm f4.
Primes: takumar 55mm; smc 28mm, 50mm; kino/komine 28mm f2's, helios 58mm, Tamron Nestar 400mm, novoflex 400mm, Vivitar 135mm close focus, 105mm macro; Jupiter 11A; CZJ 135mm.
A classic zoom or two: VS1 (komine), Kiron Zoomlock... |
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kypfer
Joined: 27 Sep 2017 Posts: 513 Location: Jersey C.I.
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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kypfer wrote:
I've used my Adaptall-II Tamron 90mm #52B, with or without the 01F 2x converter, as needed, since the '80's across three ranges of cameras, thanks to the interchangeable mount, and have never really seen the need to change. It's native minimum focus is 0.39m, which it retains with the 2x fitted (obviously) and there's still the option of fitting extension tubes as well if you really need to get up close and personal |
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tb_a
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 3678 Location: Austria
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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tb_a wrote:
There is no really bad macro lens. My dedicated macro lenses from Minolta and Pentax are really nice and sharp. However, my Tamron SP 90mm/F2.8 (Version 272E) is still my most favorite one.
It delivers 1:1 without any accessory, is stunningly sharp and contrasty already wide open, it's usable in AF mode as well, relatively small and light and offers a very smooth and soft bokeh when used as a portrait lens.
I really doubt that there is any better lens for that money (available as from EUR 200.- used).
Examples:
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_________________ Thomas Bernardy
Manual focus lenses mainly from Minolta, Pentax, Voigtlaender, Leitz, Topcon and from Russia (too many to be listed here). |
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Antoine
Joined: 08 Jan 2016 Posts: 298 Location: London
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Antoine wrote:
My Minolta rokkor 100 mm f/4 does perform very well and is lightweight but slower. _________________ Antoine
Sony A6000 APS-C and Sony A7 Rii
Minolta Fisheye MD Rokkor 7.5 mm f4, Fisheye MD 16 f2.8 MD R 17mm f4, MD R 20mm f2.8, MC VFC & MDIII 24mm f2.8, MD 28mm f2.0 &3.5, MD II 35mm 1.8, MD 45mm f2.0, MD 50mm f 1.2 & MD I f1.4, MC PG 58mm 1.2, MD 85mm f2.0, MD R 85mm f2.8 Varisoft, MC 85mm f1.7 MD R 100mm f2.5, MD R 100mm f4.0 macro, MD III 135mm f2.8, MD R 200mm f2.8 & 4.0, RF 250mm f5.6, MD 300mm f4.5, MD APO 400 mm f5.6, RF 500mm f8.0, RF 800mm f8.0 *2 300-s and 300-l
100 mm f4 macro bellows (5/4)
Vivitar 17mm f3.5, Elicar 300mm mirror f5.6, Zhongi turbo ii
Sigma 16mm f 2.8 fish eye
Zooms:24-50 mm f4, 35-70 mm f3.5 macro, 28-85mm f3.5-4.5, 50-135 f 3.5, 70-210 f4 and MD APO 100-500 mm f8 |
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invisible
Joined: 06 Jun 2013 Posts: 343
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:13 am Post subject: |
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invisible wrote:
Surprised not to see any mentions of the Vivitar 135/2.8 Close Focus. A hell of a lens, though not necessarily on the compact side. |
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MMouse
Joined: 18 Apr 2018 Posts: 58
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:15 am Post subject: |
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MMouse wrote:
Tested several macro lenses and they are all good.
Kiron 105 has the best bokeh because of it's focal lenght. Downside is that it's heavy and difficult to use hand held on APS-C.
90mm f/2,8 1:1 (no matter the brand, they have the same optics) are good.
Tamron 90mm f/2,5 is very sharp and has pleasant bokeh. It was my first macro lens and definitely the best affordable and portable one.
I had the Bokina for a week. Excellent lens but I don't think the slightly different (and maybe smoother) bokeh is worth the price difference compared to the Tamron. Still the one to go for if you only want "the best of the best".
90mm is a great focal lenght on APS-C. Long enough to get nice bokeh and much lighter than 100/105 + lenses.
There is also a Meike 85mm f/2,8 macro with lots of aperture blades and that goes beyond 1:1 magnification. Will probably be my next purchase. |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
invisible wrote: |
Surprised not to see any mentions of the Vivitar 135/2.8 Close Focus. A hell of a lens, though not necessarily on the compact side. |
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Not any less compact than your typical 100mm macro, like the legendary Kiron 105 or the Canon FD 100/4.
Regarding the assertion that there are no unsharp macro lenses, well I have several. I've lost count, in fact. Hang on just a sec . . . I count 10 right now, 11 if I toss in the Tamron SP 60-300 with its 1.15:1 macro ratio.
I've conducted tests on all my macro lenses and what I found was that I just couldn't tell much of a difference at all between any of them. All of them were great performers. Wish I still had the Kilfitt 90mm I owned many moons ago.
Currently, I'm using my 55mm f/2.8 AIs Micro-Nikkor for duping slides and negatives. Up until about a year ago, which was when I got the 55/2.8, I'd been using an old pre-AI 55/3.5 Micro-Nikkor for slide duping. An excellent lens, but I was surprised to find that the 55/2.8 outperformed the 55/3.5 by a noticeable margin. That was unexpected. _________________ Michael
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Next macro lens |
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Lightshow wrote:
wolan wrote: |
Hi,
as I do a lot of macro photography I'd like to buy a new MF macro lens with the following characteristics (in order of priority):
- excellent to exceptional bokeh
- very good sharpness
- ideally 1:1, but 1:2 is ok too.
- in the short telephoto range: somewhere between 80 - 135mm
- as compact as it goes
I did some research and I think the so called Bokina, Tokina AT-X 2.5/90mm, seems to be the best option here.
Do you have other suggestions?
Thanks for dropping your comment. |
Tokina/Vivitar 90/2.5 are the same lens, highly recommended.
Tamron 90/2.5 has IMO almost the same quality.
I love my Leica R 100/2.8 APO Macro, it is not cheap, and is somewhat big for 1:2, I also have their 60/2.8 Macro, both are great at any focus distance.
Zeiss 100/2 Marko is almost as good, it has a bit more CA.
The Voigtlander APO 125/2.5 Macro is regarded by many to be the best.
Voigtlander now has the 65/2 APO Macro in E mount, and is about to release their 110/2.5 APO Macro for E mount.
Laowa has their 60mm 2x Macro https://www.venuslens.net/product/laowa-60mm-f2/
There are of course many many Macro options in the legacy market.... Good luck. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
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