New Canon

[montecarlo]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08012403canoneos450d.asp

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08012404canoneos450dhandson.asp
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Zenit E , Helios-44 58mm f:2.0 , Tair-11A 135mm f:2.8, Jupiter-9 85mm f:2.0
Porst Reflex TL , Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 35mm f:2.4 , Pentacon 50mm f:1.8 , Porst MC 135mm f:2.8
Ricoh XR7, Ricoh KR10, Petri GX-1 , Chinon MC 28mm f:2.8 , Varexon EEK 35mm f:2.8 , smc Pentax-M 50mm f:1.7, Ricoh 50mm f:1.7 , Soligor T 135mm f:2.8 , Chinon MC 200mm f:3.3
Pentax K100D , smc Pentax-DA 18-55 , smc Pentax-FA 80-320

[iha]

Nope 5D alternative, who know how its price will come down?
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[montecarlo]

Not yet, but 450D has some changings : SD cards replaced the CF cards, the viewfinder is bigger, has spot metering, same resolution as 5D and bigger than its "superior" brother , the 40D and the kit lens is a new (the photozone.de review says is better than the older one) one and incorporates the image stabilizer.
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Zenit E , Helios-44 58mm f:2.0 , Tair-11A 135mm f:2.8, Jupiter-9 85mm f:2.0
Porst Reflex TL , Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 35mm f:2.4 , Pentacon 50mm f:1.8 , Porst MC 135mm f:2.8
Ricoh XR7, Ricoh KR10, Petri GX-1 , Chinon MC 28mm f:2.8 , Varexon EEK 35mm f:2.8 , smc Pentax-M 50mm f:1.7, Ricoh 50mm f:1.7 , Soligor T 135mm f:2.8 , Chinon MC 200mm f:3.3
Pentax K100D , smc Pentax-DA 18-55 , smc Pentax-FA 80-320

[Orio]

I will never understand Canon.
The 400D killed the 30D sales, and with these features, the 450D will greatly damage the 40D sales. What else is supposed to happen if you release a new camera that offers more resolution at a lower price than the camera you released only two months ago?
For the cost-conscious buyer, only the viewfinder could be a serious reason to spend more on the 40D, but again, most Canon users are AF users, for AF viewfinder is not so decisive.

Really weird marketing logic.
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[naplam]

Orio, I think they're trying to fight Nikon. They'd rather sell the 450D competing against the 40D than see customers buy the new low-end nikons.
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[Farside]

I see the 450D has a self-cleaning sensor. One step on the way to internal Image Stabilisation. Pity they didn't take it that one step further. In light of this, my next dSLR purchase will be a used K10D, not a 450D.
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[montecarlo]

[patrickh]

Nikon seems to be driving them into panic mode. Of course, having just bought the 40D I am furious.

@Orio

I suspect that when the dust settles the extra pixels will not translate into better IQ. Hara kiri is no longer fashionable - and that's what they seem to be doing.

patrickh
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MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, Nikkor 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 3004.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Kiron 28/2 Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Flektogon 35/2.4, Curtagon 35/4, Arsat 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro,Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Industar 50/3.5, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Jupiter 135/4, Jupiter 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8 Jupiter 200/4
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8

[Himself]

I don't think that we'll see a Canon body with Image Stabilization because they have a whole range of lenses with that feature.

[Richard_D]

[montecarlo]

[Orio]

[Farside]

[patrickh]

Customer loyalty is well demonstrated by the ease with which all those very expensive FD lenses are used. It's amazing to me that it is easier to mount a nikkor than a canon on a canon body!


patrickh

@Richard

You are quite right and it was always sad that they handed over the lens market the way they did after owning it for so long. I think they could easily get another jump by mounting IS into the body - they are so far behind in producing IS adjusted lenses they would have little to lose.
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M42: Flektogon 35/2.4, Curtagon 35/4, Arsat 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro,Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Industar 50/3.5, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Jupiter 135/4, Jupiter 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8 Jupiter 200/4
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8

[LucisPictor]

"SD / SDHC card"

Why did they do that??

It seems that I should keep my eyes open for a bargain priced 400D in some time...
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Hanimex: 3.5/23; 4/100;80-200
Hoya: 25-42;80-205
Kiron: 2/28;70-210
Leica: Elmarit-R 2.8/35
Minolta: 1.7/50
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Olympus: 3.5/28;1.4/50;3.5/135
Rikenon: 1.7/50;35-70
Rollei/Voigtländer: 1.4/55;1.8/50
Russian: Peleng3.5/8;Zenitar2.8/16;MIR2.8/37;Volna2.8/50;Industar3.5/50;Industar3.5/5cm;Helios2/50;Helios2/58;Volna2.8/80;Jupiter2/85;Kaleinar2.8/100;Tair2.8/135;Jupiter3.5/135;Jupiter4/135;Telear3.5/200;Jupiter4/200;Tair4.5/300;RF: Jupiter2.8/35;Industar2.8/53
Sigma: 28-85;28-105(AF);17-70(AF)
Soligor: 28-105;35-200;70-220
Tamron: 2.5/24;2.5/135;2.8/135;60-300;70-210
Tokina: 28-105;80-200;12-24(AF);70-210(AF);
Vivitar: 3.5/17;2/24;2/28;2.5/28;2.8/28
Yashica: 1.7/50;2/5cm
Other Japanese:Cosina3.8/20;Petri2.8/28;Albinar2.8/28;Porst1.8/35,2.8/135;Tomioka1.4/55;Weltblick3.5/135;Opticam2.8/135;Beroflex 8/500;Spiratone28-200;Maginon70-210
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