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Orio
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| LucisPictor wrote: | "SD / SDHC card"
Why did they do that??
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To gain customers from other systems, or from compact camera owners. SD cards are now standard in most reflex bodies AND compact cameras. Evidently they plan to sell more to new Canon users than to existing ones.
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Farside
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| patrickh wrote: | | Customer loyalty is well demonstrated by the ease with which all those very expensive FD lenses are used. It's amazing to me that it is easier to mount a nikkor than a canon on a canon body! |
Indeed. If I'd been a Canon owner back then I'd have been royally pee'd off and probably never bought Canon again. Loyalty cuts both ways, as Nikon and Pentax have demonstrated with some measure of backwards compatibility, and it's ironic that the first decent SLR I owned was a Nikon - if I'd remained a Nikon owner I'd have made the transition to digital quite seamlessly.
After the Nikon period I had two OM1s in the next couple of decades and was quite happy with them. It's only that Oly were very slow to bring out half-decent dSLRs that made me look at a used Canon, else I'd have bought another Oly with backwards compatibility via adapters.
The saving grace of the EOS mount is its register distance and throat size, enabling most makes of lenses to fit. Luckily I now find myself in a situation where I'm able to change camera makers to a body that offers me what I need, complying with my long-standing camera-buying policy - never buy new.
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kansalliskala
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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What comes first if you want a 16 mpix Canon and what is the best choice to make? Opinions?
a) year 2011 Canon introduces 550D at about 1000 €
(is it possible to make a 16 mpix aps-size?)
b) some year 2008-2011 Canon introduces new 7D costing about 3000 €
(very possible, haven't read the rumours-section for a while)
c) wait until 1Ds Mark II is below 3000 €?
(how long does it take?) |
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Orio
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| kansalliskala wrote: | What comes first if you want a 16 mpix Canon and what is the best choice to make? Opinions?
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The full frame feature is much more important than the number of pixels. Full frame is what will allow you to exploit the full potential of your lenses.
I know of magazine covers made with a simple 300D.
The 5D is more than enough for that task, or for printing a 50x70 wall enlargement. Which means 99% of the needs of a professional photographer.
More than this, what there is? Printing for a billboard. But for that you will need a full large format optical bank in any case.
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Main Tools:
LENSES: Carl Zeiss, Leitz, Soviet, old Nikkors, others.
DSLR: Canon EOS 5D, 50D. SLR: Contax AX, RX, 167MT; Voigtländer Bessaflex TM; Praktica FX2; Nikon FM2, F70.
RANGEFINDERS: Contax G2, Kiev-4, Voigtlaender Bessa-T, Canonette QL17. MEDIUM FORMAT: Pentacon 6, Zeiss Super Ikonta, Agfa Record II.
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kansalliskala
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A picture that is over 2 pages in a magazine is pretty standard use. If someone is really strict about the 300 dpi then it has to be 16 mpix. It so easy to see the size, you don't even need to open the picture, the preview icon tells it. 
To be more exact, just measured a magazine in inches. It was 11 x 8,5 and that makes two pages 11 x 17. Multiplication x 300 dpi makes 3300 x 5100 = 16,83 mpix. Where did I go wrong? |
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Orio
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| kansalliskala wrote: | | A picture that is over 2 pages in a magazine is pretty standard use. If someone is really strict about the 300 dpi then it has to be 16 mpix. It so easy to see the size, you don't even need to open the picture, the preview icon tells it. |
You would be able to appreciate a difference in image quality only if the magazine is made with the same high quality glossy paper that is used for art books such as the Electa art catalogues. How many magazines are there that use this paper? Maybe 1 or 2 over hundreds.
Most magazines, such as the female magazines, fashion magazines, gossip magazines, etc use such pulp paper that makes any quality issue completely pointless.
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Main Tools:
LENSES: Carl Zeiss, Leitz, Soviet, old Nikkors, others.
DSLR: Canon EOS 5D, 50D. SLR: Contax AX, RX, 167MT; Voigtländer Bessaflex TM; Praktica FX2; Nikon FM2, F70.
RANGEFINDERS: Contax G2, Kiev-4, Voigtlaender Bessa-T, Canonette QL17. MEDIUM FORMAT: Pentacon 6, Zeiss Super Ikonta, Agfa Record II.
Read Full List HERE
www.timelessphotography.eu
www.oriofoto.net
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ChrisLilley
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| kansalliskala wrote: | | Where did I go wrong? |
By assuming that more mpix == better quality, always. There are plenty of 10 and 12MPx compact cameras that take far worse pictures than my 6MPx DSLR.
If you want your work published in a magazine, then saying "I don't have a 16Px camera" has probably not identified the limiting factor there. Have you had single page photos or smaller ones published in that magazine?
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kansalliskala
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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I looked at some of the guidelines publishers etc. have and they want at least 300 dpi.
So I have just to convince them my art is such powerful that it ignores your petty requirements .. ! |
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ChrisLilley
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| kansalliskala wrote: | I looked at some of the guidelines publishers etc. have and they want at least 300 dpi.
So I have just to convince them my art is such powerful that it ignores your petty requirements .. ! |
Or upsample before the final sharpening step.
Do you imagine that all double-page spreads were solely made from scanned medium format images, before September 2004 and the 16MPx Canon 1Ds Mk II or before August 2007 and the Canon 1Ds MkIII ? Before that, the canon 1D Mk11 had a lowly 8 MPx and yet, double page spreads were still printed.
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There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don’t. Key: Ai-P, Ai, Ais, Ai'ed, pre-Ai
Camera: Nikon D40, DK-21M eyepiece, ML-3 remote MF lenses: Nikkor 20mm f/4 non-AI | Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 AiS late model | Арсенал (Arsenal) Мир-24Н (Mir-24N) 35mm f/2 | Cosina Voigtländer Ultron SL II 40mm f/2.0 | Nikkor-S.C 50mm f/1.4 non-AI | Nikon 50mm f/1.8 E | Micro-Nikkor 55mm f/2.8 AiS | Vivitar Series 1 (Kiron) 70-210 f/3.5 | Zoom-Nikkor 80-200 f/4.5 Ai | Nikkor 135mm f/2.8, Ai'ed 1976 model | Арсенал (Arsenal) ТЕЛЕАР-Н (Telear-n) 200mm f/3.5 | Nikkor 300 mm f/4.5 Ai (full equipment list) |
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Orio
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| kansalliskala wrote: | | I looked at some of the guidelines publishers etc. have and they want at least 300 dpi. |
If you start with a good camera like the 5D, and a very good lens, you can safely upsize with Genuine Fractals and no one will question the IQ.
Apart from the fact that double pages happen maybe, I don't know, 5 times on a 100 pages magazine.
And I repeat, for the paper most magazines are printed upon, the resolution of a 5D would be more than enough. No point in going crazy about a 16 Mp machine when the paper you are going to print upon will not resolve more than -maybe- 160 or 180 ppi.
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Main Tools:
LENSES: Carl Zeiss, Leitz, Soviet, old Nikkors, others.
DSLR: Canon EOS 5D, 50D. SLR: Contax AX, RX, 167MT; Voigtländer Bessaflex TM; Praktica FX2; Nikon FM2, F70.
RANGEFINDERS: Contax G2, Kiev-4, Voigtlaender Bessa-T, Canonette QL17. MEDIUM FORMAT: Pentacon 6, Zeiss Super Ikonta, Agfa Record II.
Read Full List HERE
www.timelessphotography.eu
www.oriofoto.net
"Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. " (George Orwell)
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kansalliskala
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| ChrisLilley wrote: |
Do you imagine that all double-page spreads were solely made from scanned medium format images, before September 2004 |
Actually I did 
Thanks for the upsampling advice. Always thought someone could see it somehow that: "this has been scaled!"
Now I have to figure out the original question between the alternatives of investing some 700 € to 450D or 2250 € to 5D .. Have lenses suitable for FF and 1.6 so that is not the question. |
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poilu
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| kansalliskala wrote: | | the original question between the alternatives of investing some 700 € to 450D or 2250 € to 5D |
What you don't like in your 400D
That will show you what you need
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ChrisLilley
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Ok here you go, 50MPx camera. Wide angle, too (360 x 180 degrees).
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There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don’t. Key: Ai-P, Ai, Ais, Ai'ed, pre-Ai
Camera: Nikon D40, DK-21M eyepiece, ML-3 remote MF lenses: Nikkor 20mm f/4 non-AI | Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 AiS late model | Арсенал (Arsenal) Мир-24Н (Mir-24N) 35mm f/2 | Cosina Voigtländer Ultron SL II 40mm f/2.0 | Nikkor-S.C 50mm f/1.4 non-AI | Nikon 50mm f/1.8 E | Micro-Nikkor 55mm f/2.8 AiS | Vivitar Series 1 (Kiron) 70-210 f/3.5 | Zoom-Nikkor 80-200 f/4.5 Ai | Nikkor 135mm f/2.8, Ai'ed 1976 model | Арсенал (Arsenal) ТЕЛЕАР-Н (Telear-n) 200mm f/3.5 | Nikkor 300 mm f/4.5 Ai (full equipment list) |
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