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j.lukow
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 Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 4:12 am Post subject: Neg scanning - just do it! |
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j.lukow wrote:
I'm getting more comfortable now with my scanner 
The interesting thing I've "discovered" is that if a picture is a good picture then the scanner will produce a scan that's bang on first time, no tweaking necessary.
Whats even wilder is that sometimes those scanned images come off better than the prints, that come with the negative   
That said I can't wait to scan the negs of some old prints that I love, 
Jim
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EMPLOYMENT: That which funded photography and my new woodworking business.j.lukow
Jim's Kit:
Minolta Kit: Minolta X570 & Autowinder G, Minolta SRT200
LENSES:Minolta - 45mm & 50mm F1:2, PF 58mm F1:1.4, Tamron 28mm f1:2.5, Tamron SP 35-80mm f1:2.8/3.8 & CF TeleMacro zoom 80-210 f1:3.8, Vivitar f3.0~4.5 35-200mm macro focusing zoom, f 2.8 28mm CF Wide angle, 2x macro focus teleconverter,Sigma F4 25-250, f 2.8~4 35-70mm zoom master,Tokina SD f4-5.6 70-210 zoom, f4.5 80-200 "Ultra" Zoom,AutoImage 135mm F1:2.8, Spiratone 400mm f1:6.3, Magicon f3.5-4.8 35-70mm macro zoom,Quantary f8-500 Mirror/macro lens, Accura MD mount Macro bellows
M42 Kit:Praktica PLC2,Yashica TL Electro X
LENSES:Meyer Goerlitz Oreston 50mm f1:1.8 , Auto Yashinon DX 1:1.7 50mm,Steinheil Munchen Culminar 135mm f4.5, Adaptall-2 M42 adapter
Zeiss . . . Zeiss Contaflex 126 system, Zeiss Contaflex Super
Medium Format: Pentacon sixTL
Hasselblad 500c/m - CZ 2.8-80mm planar, CZ 4-150mm sonnarCF |
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Athiril
Joined: 16 May 2008
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Location: Melbourne, Vic, Australia
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:33 am Post subject: |
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Athiril wrote:
Please post some samples.
Any neg landscapes if you have some
I love the exposure latitude, Astia 100f is good too for that |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Location: Western Washington State
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Jim wrote: Whats even wilder is that sometimes those scanned images come off better than the prints, that come with the negative
Exactly! I'm seeing a large majority of my "auto" scans of negs - push the button and let the scanner do it's thing - that are absolutely better in color, clarity, and dynamic range than machine prints. I will try to dig up the 8x10 comparison prints I made. One was scanned and enlarged from a Frontier - the photo lab using the raw negative, the other was from my scan of the raw negative, printed with standard inkjet. There is a NOTICEABLE difference in overall quality when you line them up side by side. This MAY just be something in no way related to the scanner and "post processing"...however, if I'm seeing the lab prints from negs vs. my scans and prints of the negs for 4x6 as being differentiated by such a margin, then I guess I could EXPECT an 8x10 or larger to show the same differences.
In any case, I am so surprised and happy that the scanner does so well on its own. I envisioned a lot of tweaking around, even with medium format negs and transparencies. But when I see the results from "auto scans", I'm simply and completely satisfied.
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Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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j.lukow
Joined: 03 Oct 2007
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Location: Lindsay Ontario, Canada
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 12:34 am Post subject: |
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j.lukow wrote:
| Athiril wrote: |
Please post some samples.
Any neg landscapes if you have some . . . |
Here you go. I'm reposting an image from the gallery and I've just scanned the print in for comparison.
Tamron CF Tele Macro F 3.8 80-210mm
At Easter this year I went outside after dinner and saw this . . .
This is the print . . .
This is the neg with NO tweaking . . .
The clarity of details in the direct neg scan is great, but in the print?
Funny thing is for an experiment I tried to duplicate the print and
I guess with the prints you have to believe the person making the prints is seeing what you saw, or is that know what they're seeing
Jim
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EMPLOYMENT: That which funded photography and my new woodworking business.j.lukow
Jim's Kit:
Minolta Kit: Minolta X570 & Autowinder G, Minolta SRT200
LENSES:Minolta - 45mm & 50mm F1:2, PF 58mm F1:1.4, Tamron 28mm f1:2.5, Tamron SP 35-80mm f1:2.8/3.8 & CF TeleMacro zoom 80-210 f1:3.8, Vivitar f3.0~4.5 35-200mm macro focusing zoom, f 2.8 28mm CF Wide angle, 2x macro focus teleconverter,Sigma F4 25-250, f 2.8~4 35-70mm zoom master,Tokina SD f4-5.6 70-210 zoom, f4.5 80-200 "Ultra" Zoom,AutoImage 135mm F1:2.8, Spiratone 400mm f1:6.3, Magicon f3.5-4.8 35-70mm macro zoom,Quantary f8-500 Mirror/macro lens, Accura MD mount Macro bellows
M42 Kit:Praktica PLC2,Yashica TL Electro X
LENSES:Meyer Goerlitz Oreston 50mm f1:1.8 , Auto Yashinon DX 1:1.7 50mm,Steinheil Munchen Culminar 135mm f4.5, Adaptall-2 M42 adapter
Zeiss . . . Zeiss Contaflex 126 system, Zeiss Contaflex Super
Medium Format: Pentacon sixTL
Hasselblad 500c/m - CZ 2.8-80mm planar, CZ 4-150mm sonnarCF |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 4809
Location: Western Washington State
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 3:25 am Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Pretty darn close to what I see as the differences Jim. Kind of amazing actually.
_________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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maddog10
Joined: 08 Apr 2008
Posts: 1072
Location: Maryland, USA
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 4:05 am Post subject: |
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maddog10 wrote:
I posted a similar result in my Film/Scan thread. I was shocked first by how different the print and negative were and second by how much more detail shows in the negative scan.
By all means, scan the negative if you have it!
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F16SUNSHINE
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Location: Left Coast
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Congrats Jim. Looks like you have a quality machine. I look forward to seeing more of your work and more of your part of the world
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Laurence
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Laurence wrote:
Regarding the dust and spots that are inherent to scanning, even after cleaning the neg or transparency: I tried using Digital Ice, and it works pretty well. However, it takes a LONG time to scan in that mode. I think it is sometimes faster to go to Photoshop (much as I don't like to use Photoshop) and clone them out.
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Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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