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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
lahnet wrote:

Very Happy


See my reply to Riku.
I still think that your successive argument contruction does not hold with your original premise.

P.S. I see that you're quite weak with wording out your thoughts, and quite strong with smilies.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:

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It might be a good idea to separate the english and italian text and put english first.


That is an entirely different aspect and I may agree with that, although it is my opinion that this is only a secondary issue. I remain convinced that if somebody is really interested into an item, he will read the description whatever way it is laid out. Heck, having to use an online translator has never stopped me from reading German-only descriptions of lenses that I was really interested in.

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I think that's true because manual lenses are not mainstream and buyers usually know what they are looking for. There is never too many Planars available on ebay.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Riku wrote:

I think that's true because manual lenses are not mainstream and buyers usually know what they are looking for.


Precisely.
Used items like these are not like new items. If you search for "400D" on Ebay you find hundreds of ads, many of new items from shops. There is a huge competition and quite understandeably nodoby will ever read 300 ads.
But if you search for Planar 1.7/50 you may find 10 items at a time, more or less that is the average figure.
A first selection is usually done by looking at prices. Too dear items are discharged without even opening the actual auction page (unless it's the obsessionate collector who does not mind the price and wants a perfect item).
On the remaining items, another selection is usually done on the provenience. Of course if I have two Planars of similar price, one from France the other from Japan, I don't even open the Japan's auction page.

If the potential buyer has ethnical problems, it's at THIS stage that he will exclude italians. He won't even open the auction page, if not for curiosity.

That is what normally happens, 80% of the selection is normally done without even opening the auction pages, but just by selecting items on price and provenience directly on the search page.

After this double selection, what usually remain are 2-3 auctions, all of which are interesting of course if they could make it that far.
So the potential buyer will look closely to each of them, regardless of the layout. And will look for glass condition, mechanical condition, etc... without being concerned about the language or layout.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
lahnet wrote:

Very Happy


P.S. I see that you're quite weak with wording out your thoughts.
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Wrong once again. But some people are having trouble reading between the lines. Maybe they don´t want to understand.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
lahnet wrote:

Wrong once again. But some people are having trouble reading between the lines. Maybe they don´t want to understand.


Or maybe you have been trolling all the time.

The world is full of possibilities...

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
lahnet wrote:

I write that I would not buy from a seller in Italy that I did not know. I assume that there are others like me.


First, let me say that for whatever reason, this part of message of yours I am replying to now, appeared in the line MUCH later than the following messages.
It is important to underline this else other people would not understand.

What you just write, is incomprehensible to me.
You first wrote that sentence.
Then later you wrote that you have no problem with Italians.
Then again now you write you don't trust Italians.

Another contradiction, Lahnet. Sorry, but your posts are full of.

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You agree that potential customers may have a problem dealing with Italians.


It is a fact that Italians have exported many bad things to the foreign. Like mafia or camorra for instance. Impossible to deny this. Like it is also impossible to deny that Southern Italians have a way of life that can be really disturbing for people used to live with a northern lifestyle of discretion and respect. Southern Italians are very noisy and don't respect much other people privacy. For them it's ok it's their culture. Here, and I think also in other European countries, this lifestyle is considered disturbing. It disturbs for me, I am sure. When I had neapolitans on the upper floor above my apartments, I had to pray them 20 times or more, that they take off their leather shoes when they are home, that they place felt silencers under table and chair legs not to make noise, that they please listen to TV at acceptable volume during night hours, that they please avoid to shout at night if possible. But everything was useless. I had to sleep all nights with wax in my ears in order to be able to take sleep. And every morning I used to wake up with headache because of the wax in the ears.
Now I have no problems if they do that on their own, or on their land, but if they come here, or elsewhere in Europe, they should learn how to respect the other people's privacy.
But this seems to be impossible.

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And please understand that different between north and south of Itay does not meen anything outside Italia.


I know, nobody outside knows anything about the reality of Italy.
Northern Europeans know only Southern Italians because it's only Southern Italians that emigrated. They don't know anything about the lifestyle of Northern Italians. Or about the populations of Northern Italy.
The only culture of Italy that is talked about in the foreign is the culture of Southern Italians. I have no problem with that, if it wasn't that this way, opinions about SOuthern Italians are attributed to us Northern Italians who have nothing to do with these populations except for the fact that we live under the same nation. I do not even understand them when they speak their language.

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And thank you for keeping a nice tone beside my poor English. I kind of enjoy writing to you (strange?).


I tried to resist your provocations as best as I could. Wink
I am a polite person. Of course I am human so sometimes it may happen that I too lose control. But this happens rarely. And when it happens, I am able to recognize it and apologize.
I try my best to always be polite, personal respect is always important.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I bought a few times from Italian sellers I never had any problem with them. One times I sold a lens to Napoly, buyer has a pre-conception , because she well know her living environment and she afraid I have same Gypsy behavior like Southern Italian have, but finally story closed with positive end.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
[quote="Orio"]
lahnet wrote:


Another contradiction, Lahnet. Sorry, but your posts are full of.

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I am sorry Orio, still I see no contradiction at all.

But we went a little off tropic, I think when reading the post again. I don´t think we disagree at any major matters.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks Attila for your testimony, what you write is very true, but please let's not start the gipsy thread again! Laughing Shocked

I have no more energy for that Sad

Please, guys, forget about gypsy reference.
I try to speak about Southern Italians as much objectively as I can.

If I had to speak about my personal bad experiences with Southern Italians, I would have to say very bad things, and this could be misinterpreted for racism, and I don't want this, so I will keep silent about this, even if it costs me a lot.

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