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MatthewOsbornePhotography
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:01 am Post subject: Model Photography - Samyang 85mm sharpness & bokeh at f1 |
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MatthewOsbornePhotography wrote:
Here is a good example of how sharp the Samyang 85mm f1.4 lens is at the widest aperture and the bokeh it can produce.
Model photography - Model Anastasia, Russia - casual shot walking back to hotel in Tver.
B&W JPEG shot with Nikon D800
Samyang Bokeh by MatthewOsbornePhotography_, on Flickr _________________ Regards
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Tervueren
Joined: 18 May 2011 Posts: 1177 Location: West Sussex, United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Tervueren wrote:
I like that a lot, been tempted to get one on several occasions, so far i've resisted but photos like this won't help at all |
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MatthewOsbornePhotography
Joined: 30 Dec 2012 Posts: 154 Location: Coventry, UK
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:15 am Post subject: Re. Buying a Samyang 85mm f1.4 |
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MatthewOsbornePhotography wrote:
Tervueren wrote: |
I like that a lot, been tempted to get one on several occasions, so far i've resisted but photos like this won't help at all |
I highly recommend not to look at my Flickr stream or blog posts then unless you have the money in your pocket ready to make a purchase!
And probably try to avoid looking at my other threads on MFL! _________________ Regards
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DR.JUAN
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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DR.JUAN wrote:
Nice pic. I have to say that there are a lot better ones taken with other lenses.
I have the money to buy a marvelous plastic toy like that lens, but prefer a real lens.
The toys for the childrens. Not for me, thanks. |
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Tervueren
Joined: 18 May 2011 Posts: 1177 Location: West Sussex, United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Tervueren wrote:
I don't know why but I feel I must defend this "plastic" lens even though I don't own it , yes it would be nice if we all could afford the "special" lenses but we can't. For me if it was say buy the Samyang now or wait 3-6 months until I could afford some overpriced name lens I think I would buy the Samyang and wait until I could either afford it or decide that I was happy with what I had. I see no reason why this should be avoided because it's "plastic". It's a very capable lens for the right person and of course it's lighter which at my age makes it a plus lol |
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MatthewOsbornePhotography
Joined: 30 Dec 2012 Posts: 154 Location: Coventry, UK
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:02 pm Post subject: I think you must be mistaken.. Samyang |
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MatthewOsbornePhotography wrote:
DR.JUAN wrote: |
Nice pic. I have to say that there are a lot better ones taken with other lenses.
I have the money to buy a marvelous plastic toy like that lens, but prefer a real lens.
The toys for the childrens. Not for me, thanks. |
I realise every is free to voice their own opinions but it sounds like you have not seen or held a Samyang lens? Light? No. Plastic feel? No chance? Were you holding a Nikon or Canon kit lens perhaps? Then yes plastic crappy feeling.
Samyang lens are built like a tank, heavy, solid, chunk of glass. They are much more like my Zeiss lenses or Nikon AI-s (when Nikon used to use metal and glass) than kit lenses I see others using.
I have many many nice lenses everything from Nikkor 200/f2, 50/1.2, Zeiss, Mamiya Sekor but the Samyang is still my most used lens on the D800. Not because it's cheap as I have the more expensive Nikkor 85/1.4D, but because it out performs it.
So you may want to try another Samyang and then you'll see that IS a real lens amongst the modern plastics. _________________ Regards
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MatthewOsbornePhotography
Joined: 30 Dec 2012 Posts: 154 Location: Coventry, UK
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:05 pm Post subject: "Plastic" |
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MatthewOsbornePhotography wrote:
Tervueren wrote: |
I don't know why but I feel I must defend this "plastic" lens even though I don't own it , yes it would be nice if we all could afford the "special" lenses but we can't. For me if it was say buy the Samyang now or wait 3-6 months until I could afford some overpriced name lens I think I would buy the Samyang and wait until I could either afford it or decide that I was happy with what I had. I see no reason why this should be avoided because it's "plastic". It's a very capable lens for the right person and of course it's lighter which at my age makes it a plus lol |
I'm baffled where the term plastic can be related to the Samyang 85? Yes the original hood is cheap plastic (agreed) but I fitted a metal one from new and the lenses itself is hardly plastic. If you can shoot without AF it can be very rewarding. I love mine _________________ Regards
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DR.JUAN
Joined: 08 Feb 2013 Posts: 661
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: I think you must be mistaken.. Samyang |
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DR.JUAN wrote:
MatthewOsbornePhotography wrote: |
DR.JUAN wrote: |
Nice pic. I have to say that there are a lot better ones taken with other lenses.
I have the money to buy a marvelous plastic toy like that lens, but prefer a real lens.
The toys for the childrens. Not for me, thanks. |
I realise every is free to voice their own opinions but it sounds like you have not seen or held a Samyang lens? Light? No. Plastic feel? No chance? Were you holding a Nikon or Canon kit lens perhaps? Then yes plastic crappy feeling.
Samyang lens are built like a tank, heavy, solid, chunk of glass. There are much more like my Zeiss lenses or Nikon AI-s (when Nikon used to use metal and glass) than kit lenses I see others using.
I have many many nice lenses everything from Nikkor 200/f2, 50/1.2, Zeiss, Mamiya Sekor but the Samyang is still my most used lens on the D800. Not because it's cheap as I have the more expensive Nikkor 85/1.4D, but because it out performs it.
So you may want to try another Samyang and then you'll see that IS the real lens amongst the modern plastics. |
I undestand you. And if you are happy with the lens, excelent for you!!
My 1,2/58 rokkor and 3,4/180 Apo Telyt are metal lenses, and i like in this way.
No plastic lens to me, please. |
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kendo1
Joined: 07 Dec 2012 Posts: 171 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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kendo1 wrote:
Good grief, there speaks a closed mind...
Next thing you hear is that the world is flat and Darwin was wrong. |
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MatthewOsbornePhotography
Joined: 30 Dec 2012 Posts: 154 Location: Coventry, UK
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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MatthewOsbornePhotography wrote:
kendo1 wrote: |
Good grief, there speaks a closed mind...
Next thing you hear is that the world is flat and Darwin was wrong. |
No I like lots of lenses depending on the need / camera format but I do seem to use the Samyang a lot _________________ Regards
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DR.JUAN
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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DR.JUAN wrote:
kendo1 wrote: |
Good grief, there speaks a closed mind...
Next thing you hear is that the world is flat and Darwin was wrong. |
You are an old man, sure.
If it's true, not matter how many plastic things you use, you are old.
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kendo1
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Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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kendo1 wrote:
DR.JUAN wrote: |
kendo1 wrote: |
Good grief, there speaks a closed mind...
Next thing you hear is that the world is flat and Darwin was wrong. |
You are an old man, sure.
If it's true, not matter how many plastic things you use, you are old.
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Are you on medication? |
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DR.JUAN
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Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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DR.JUAN wrote:
Not me, man.
You need it.
Go to the psiquiatric, please. |
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skida
Joined: 02 Mar 2012 Posts: 1826 Location: North East England
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Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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skida wrote:
The result is all that matters. If I produced a photo like that with a lens made from milk bottle tops and jam jar bottoms I wouldn't care what anyone thought, I would just let the photo do the talking.
Nice shot! _________________ Lots of 35mm Film Cameras
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Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
Okay guys, lets focus on the lenses
There will always be different opinions about lenses, which is good.
This makes this forum interesting _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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Attila
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Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Matt and his models makes any lens to superb _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
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Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Absolutely right !
The picture is the thing, and everything else about this shot is more important than the lens.
The lens just needs to be good enough not to spoil all else.
And its certainly more than good enough.
BTW, what a career to have. Congratulations, this is in so many ways a fantasy for the rest of us duffers. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Attila
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Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
Absolutely right !
The picture is the thing, and everything else about this shot is more important than the lens.
The lens just needs to be good enough not to spoil all else.
And its certainly more than good enough.
BTW, what a career to have. Congratulations, this is in so many ways a fantasy for the rest of us duffers. |
+10 _________________ -------------------------------
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Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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healtyhead
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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healtyhead wrote:
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Brenizer-2 by srdnc, on Flickr
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last-2 by srdnc, on Flickr _________________ Pentax K5
Pentax DA 35mm f2.4
Pentax SMC-M 50mm f2.0
Tamron 17-50mm f2.8
Samyang 85mm f1.4
Pentax SMC-M 135mm f3.5 |
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DR.JUAN
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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DR.JUAN wrote:
I tried the lens more deeply.
Very good one.
If i should use a portrait lens at 1,4, i get it without any doubt.
Actually use a f2/100 lens, a very good one too.
But the 1,4/85 is really good.
Modified my opinion about it.
Thanks for sharing |
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
#2 is especially impressive, great work , thank you for sharing! _________________ -------------------------------
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Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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wuxiekeji
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Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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wuxiekeji wrote:
Tervueren wrote: |
I don't know why but I feel I must defend this "plastic" lens even though I don't own it , yes it would be nice if we all could afford the "special" lenses but we can't. For me if it was say buy the Samyang now or wait 3-6 months until I could afford some overpriced name lens I think I would buy the Samyang and wait until I could either afford it or decide that I was happy with what I had. I see no reason why this should be avoided because it's "plastic". It's a very capable lens for the right person and of course it's lighter which at my age makes it a plus lol |
I guess it depends on the user's purpose. I avoid plastic lenses because I hike and cycle and the lenses are often subject to pressure from other objects in my bag which can easily damage plastic casing (I've wrecked many plastic lenses simply sitting in my bag over hundreds of km of cycling -- I once had an AF 17-55/2.8 split apart into 3 pieces) but never ever had a problem with metal lenses.
DR.JUAN's way of putting it was a bit harsh; I wouldn't dismiss them as "toys" vs. "real lens" but it's a matter of your purpose and application. If you're a full-time city and indoor event shooter, you obviously won't have problems with harsh conditions. Also I can attest that Samyang's build quality is decent -- Samyang's plastic is far better than any Canon or Nikon plastic.
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Samyang 85mm f/1.4 is all metal and glass and I think it weighs like 4 pounds, dude.... |
Did they come out with new metal version? I used to own Samyang 85/1.4 and it was all plastic and glass. It was better plastic than Canon plastic, and focus ring was nicely damped, but I still ended up selling it and getting a Zeiss because I really wanted metal and also wanted the colour rendition to match my other Zeiss stuff for consistency. _________________ Canon EOS 6D | Canon EOS 60D | Canon EOS-M | Voigtlander Nokton 1.4/35 | Zeiss Distagon C-Y 4/18 | Zeiss Distagon ZF 2/28 | Samyang 1.4/35 | Zeiss Planar C-Y 1.4/50 | Zeiss Planar C-Y 1.4/85 | Zeiss Makro-Planar C-Y 2.8/100 | Zeiss Sonnar C-Y 2.8/135 | Nikkor ED Ai-S 2.8/180 | Canon FD SSC Fluorite 2.8/300 | Tair-3S 4.5/300 |
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philslizzy
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Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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philslizzy wrote:
Plastic lenses, what a lot of snobbery about them. Even plastic lens fans sneer at the Nikon or Canon kit lenses.
I have a couple of Nikon and a Sigma 'plastic' AF lenses and I've never been disappointed with the results. I would say my kit 18-55 on the Nikon is the best '50' I have. Yes its slow, but you work with it. I don't abuse it and get super results.
I was unaware that the lens that Matt used was plastic, I only look at the results. And I like them.
Yes theres nothing more satisfying than handling a 50 year old metal and glass lens in good condition and using it to create great pictures. My 60's and 70's Rokkors and Nikkors have a lovely, well built quality feel to them.
Its like live music. Some like electric instruments, some like accoustic and ne'er the twain shall meet. The music is what matters. _________________ Hero in the 'messin-with-cameras-for-the-hell-of-it department'. Official. |
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Laurentiu Cristofor
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Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Laurentiu Cristofor wrote:
wuxiekeji wrote: |
I used to own Samyang 85/1.4 and it was all plastic and glass. |
Samyang SLR lenses use metal, plastic, and glass. Rings tend to be plastic but the actual lens barrel is metal. The mount is always metal. They don't feel plasticky, that's for sure.
My MFT fisheye lens seems to be all plastic (except mount), but it is so tiny and compact that it still feels great. And optically, it is superb. _________________ http://www.ipernity.com/home/2419272
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Oldhand
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Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
philslizzy wrote: |
The music is what matters. |
+1
Something we should never forget
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