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niblue
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 Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:42 pm Post subject: MIR-1B intial test shots |
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First few shots taken with my MIR-1B since my M42 adaptor arrived. All shots wide open and using a Pentax *istDS:
100% crop from previous image
Shot showing handling of out of focus highlights
Need to do some additional testing in better lighting conditions when I get a chance.
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Richard_D
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks interesting Bokeh and highlights - great colour rendition |
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Attila
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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One of the few Russian what I not like much, that is MIR-1 even if I have it. Sorry, anyway thank you for samples, many people love it, so don't think this is a bad lens just I don't like.
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patrickh
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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The OOF rendition is a bit squirly, distracting. Nice colours.
patrickh
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F16SUNSHINE
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| I have to agree with Patrick. The OOF area makes me feel a bit dizzy. How are shots with greater DOF? I was thinking about picking up one of these. Thanks for posting samples, maybe now I will pass. |
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Orio
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:46 am Post subject: |
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The MIR-1 (or in this case, MIR-1V), is not a perfect lens, it has strenghts and weaknesses.
One must get to know it, and learn what it can give, and can not give. This is a sample of what this lens can give (it is actually the MIR-1, the older M39 version, but optically it should be the same as, or very similar to, the MIR-1V):
http://www.orio.ws/temp/alba-autunno/slides/alba-autunno_28.html
The following one is taken wide open and shows (even if this is just a resize) the kind of centre sharpness this lens can deliver even wide open:
http://www.orio.ws/temp/alba-autunno/slides/alba-autunno_25.html
The OOF highlights of the Jupiter-9 are even worse than those of the MIR-1V, yet, once you are aware of this, and use the lens accordingly, it can deliver beautiful portraits.
These lenses are not perfect but have a personality, and you need to get to know them before you can get the most out of them.
Then, they give back the dedication spent with some excellent results.
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F16SUNSHINE
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: |
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Orio, you make a good point. It is important to use a lens with it's strengths and "good" personality traits. Your shots are really quite nice. I suppose this lens should not be used with specular or confused backgound when wide open. Steve, if you don't mind me asking, what did you pay for your copy? Also is it a "B" or "V" version or does this even matter? Thanks
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themoleman342
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:59 am Post subject: |
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The mir-1 by my estimation is one the most highly disputed lenses within the Russian ranks. I find the highlights rather characteristic. It's a lens that simply can't be described in terms of pure resolution performance.
I respectfully disagree with the opinion that the highlight OOF is distracting. If the lens was particularly soft all-round then I would agree but the in-focus is quite sharp. What it looks like to me is a rich pointillist painting in the background. I feel it does an even better job of emphasizing the foreground. This creates a great 3D effect. The in-focus appears more separated. Whether this is a desired trait or not is obviously up to the photographer. But that’s just my two cents. Here's a B&W image of my brother with the mir-1:
http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1143180963&size=l
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Orio
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:19 am Post subject: |
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| F16SUNSHINE wrote: | | Orio, you make a good point. It is important to use a lens with it's strengths and "good" personality traits. Your shots are really quite nice. I suppose this lens should not be used with specular or confused backgound when wide open. |
Yes. Of course you can not expect the perfection from a 20 Eur lens. The MIR-1 was a budget lens even in it's days.
With this in mind, one must expect some shortcomings and also some copy variations.
Contrary to contemporary lenses, which are computer-planned and also probably computer-built, these old lenses have a lot of variation factors between copies, between years, between makers, between everything.
This is what makes their world so fascinating. You mount a manual lens, and really, you do not know what to expect. It's an adventure. It's like meeting new people, really. Some you will like, some you will not. Some you will love, or hate.
Given the high level of individuality and personality of these lenses, it is necessary to approach them with a desire for knowledge and for spending time with them. They're not predictable autofocus lenses that you can mount and shoot with right away, because you already know what it's going to be like.
| Quote: | | Also is it a "B" or "V" version or does this even matter? |
There is no MIR-1B, there is only the MIR-1V.
"B" is a Cyrillic letter that corresponds to our "V".
In Western characters, the correct transcription is MIR-1V.
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niblue
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| F16SUNSHINE wrote: | | Orio, you make a good point. It is important to use a lens with it's strengths and "good" personality traits. Your shots are really quite nice. I suppose this lens should not be used with specular or confused backgound when wide open. |
I wouldn't necessarily say not to use it like that, just to bear in mind what the impact of the OOF highlights will be.
| Quote: | Steve, if you don't mind me asking, what did you pay for your copy? Also is it a "B" or "V" version or does this even matter? Thanks
Andy |
Mine is marked as a 'B' however my understanding was also that the 'B' and 'V' are the same thing in this case. The lens cost ?20 from Ebay. making it my 2nd most expensive M42 lens so far.
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Richard_D
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:37 am Post subject: |
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I can certainly think of occasions when the character could be used to great effect - I'd love to have a play with that in front of sunlit fountains for example, but I'd avoid using it for some other subjects. Hmm must find out what Russian lenses are available in a Nikon mount...  |
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peterqd
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| Richard_D wrote: | | I can certainly think of occasions when the character could be used to great effect - I'd love to have a play with that in front of sunlit fountains for example, but I'd avoid using it for some other subjects. Hmm must find out what Russian lenses are available in a Nikon mount... |
For me the MIR-1V is an important and treasured part of my collection. One of its main strengths is the pre-set aperture with continuously variable stop-down ring. In reasonable light, using a metered camera in Av mode, the stop-down ring basically becomes a bokeh control, and the irritating highlights disappear very quickly when the lens is stopped down just a little. |
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Jesito
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| peterqd wrote: | | Richard_D wrote: | | I can certainly think of occasions when the character could be used to great effect - I'd love to have a play with that in front of sunlit fountains for example, but I'd avoid using it for some other subjects. Hmm must find out what Russian lenses are available in a Nikon mount... |
For me the MIR-1V is an important and treasured part of my collection. One of its main strengths is the pre-set aperture with continuously variable stop-down ring. In reasonable light, using a metered camera in Av mode, the stop-down ring basically becomes a bokeh control, and the irritating highlights disappear very quickly when the lens is stopped down just a little. |
I was about to say I like the lens because the colours and the sharpness but not the bokeh, but you have told already how to control it 
So a nice lens at the end...
Best regards,
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Isn't that the fun of using "old" lenses? That you have to get to know them?
A perfect lens is boring for my way of photography. I do not earn money with it, so I do not need perfect and abolutely reliable results. It is fun for me to see what a lens delivers and what not.
I think I know about 5 of my lenses really well by now. And with those I shoot when I need to know beforehand what I'll get.
The others are a constant adventure...
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patrickh
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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Completely agree with Carsten - and with Orio's slightly differently expressed same view. The more I play with the different lenses the more I realize you have to understand them and their characters. This is even true with the nikkors, which have more similarity than differences - a great strength of the line. Now i have put my foot into russian waters, it's even mmore complicated,,,, 
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