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A G Photography wrote:
I already owned this lens in its more recent model but I recently managed to get one in exa mount made for the Kine Exakta, probably around 1940 (I'd need to find Meyer s/n related to years... Klaus? Any help?  ).
I spent the last two days testing it on a digital camera (Oly e410, until I can find a good EXA-EOS adapter) and I wrote a review about it on my blog: http://foodografia.blogspot.com/2009/05/meyer-gorlitz-primoplan-5819.html
Some images:
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Attila wrote:
Pretty awesome, I like it very much. Many thanks for sharing!
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Orio wrote:
Congratulations on the Primoplan!
I am still trying to get my first one.
Pics look nice - bokeh seems less "swirling" than what I have seen before from this lens.
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A G Photography
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A G Photography wrote:
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Congratulations on the Primoplan!
I am still trying to get my first one.
Pics look nice - bokeh seems less "swirling" than what I have seen before from this lens. |
I already owned a post war Primoplan but it is pretty different than this one, more quiet to be honest, but also less sharp and tridimensional stopped down.
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blaahhi
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| Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 58/1.9 - pre war model |
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blaahhi wrote:
| A G Photography wrote: |
I already owned this lens in its more recent model but I recently managed to get one in exa mount made for the Kine Exakta, probably around 1940 (I'd need to find Meyer s/n related to years... Klaus? Any help? ).
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Nice lens!
I'd estimate the production year to be somewhere around 1937-1938, or thereabout... S/n 650 000 was reached in 1935, and 900 000 in 1938, so it has to fall somewhere between.
The picture quality somehow reminds me of my 25cm Tele Megor, being uncoated and all, except the Primoplan is much sharper!  |
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no-X wrote:
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| I already owned a post war Primoplan but it is pretty different than this one, more quiet to be honest, but also less sharp and tridimensional stopped down. |
Which version do you have? The manual (small, cyan coating), or the pre-set (slightly bigger)?
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Spotmatic wrote:
As a fellow pre-war Primoplan owner (albeit the 7,5cm) I really like your results, but I also share the conclusion that the pre-war Meyers are better than the post-war ones. At least with regards to build quality and sharpness.
Great samples by the way!
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A G Photography
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A G Photography wrote:
| no-X wrote: |
| A G Photography wrote: |
| I already owned a post war Primoplan but it is pretty different than this one, more quiet to be honest, but also less sharp and tridimensional stopped down. |
Which version do you have? The manual (small, cyan coating), or the pre-set (slightly bigger)? |
Mine is completely manual, the coating, if there was any, I think is no more, it has been pretty much used and cleaned .
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I love the bokeh of this lens. It's like a painting. |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Oh yes! I also like my copy a lot. By no means it is perfect, but it has something special that is very hard to describe.
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Gus Helios wrote:
I love the backgound of these... they seem more linear than circular highlights. I have the 100 2.8 trioplan, but this looks like it would be a fun OOF lens to add to my ever increasing 50mm range.
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no-X wrote:
Does anyone know, who was the inventor of Primoplan?
Zeiss lens designs (esp. pre-war and post-war from west Germany) are well documented. Even the soviet copies have great online documentation, but I can't find anything about Meyer designs...
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Spotmatic wrote:
Maybe you could do some research on the German patents site?
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exaklaus wrote:
Gratulations, pretty early lens from 1937!
Paul Schäfter is named as inventor of the 1,9/58 Primoplan in 1937.
Stephan Roeschlein for the Primoplan in 1936. Probably for the 1,9/75 and 1,9/100??
1934 the Primoplan 1,9/50 was made for Leica and Contax.
There had been a few 1,9/5cm Primoplan (2 specimen known until now) in 1936 for Exakta.
Since 1913, Primoplan is a trademark of Meyer-Optik.
Not much information and maybe not 100% correct.
Most of the Meyer-history is still hidden in the mist of time. Or so 
Maybe a few information may turn up, when the last door (indeed, there is a door in Görlitz) may be opened by some fellow researchers
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I also have an Exakta mount prewar 5.8cm Primoplan, and remember reading somewhere a long time ago that it was designed initially as a cine lens, for maximum light transmission: I do see a lot of pre-war Meyer cine lenses on the 'Bay...
It also was based on an Ernostar formula...it is not a Gauss design...it's a relative of a Sonnar. So it is softer and "rounder" than the Gauss-derived Biotars and Xenons of the day (at least to my eyes.)
It's one of my favorite people lenses on a crop dSLR. These are all wide open:
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exaklaus: Thank you very much fot this rare info
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fates wrote:
Really like the highlight on that top pic Eggboy!
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| Really like the highlight on that top pic Eggboy! |
Thanks! Usually shots like that get blown out by flare on this lens...maybe if the rays hit at just the correct angle...
Having a kid really upped the amount of shooting I do...
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no-X wrote:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3380/3578446232_d7294c94fd_o.jpg
This one shows exactly what I love on old Meyer lenses. It's the exceptional bokeh, which any modern lens design (maybe with the exception of Volna-9) can't replicate
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