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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Now more information is avialable - on another website.
Wonder why they don´t post it on the Meyer Goerlitz website.

http://de.globell.com/Rueckkehr-von-Meyer-Optik-Goerlitz-Objektive-Made-in-Germany-mit-weltweiter-Premiere-auf-der-Photoki_detail_939_2227.html
I found no English counterpart of this site.

They want to show two new lenses:
Meyer Optik Görlitz 1,4/85 mm Somnium - with round bokeh, 999 Euro
Meyer Optik Görlitz 1,8/80 mm Figmentum - with higher sharpness (but not too sharp for portrait work) and smoother bokeh, 849 Euro


PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wow, a sleep-lens (Somnium) and an unreal-lens (Figmentum) - Latin often has multiple meanings Wink

Kidding aside, that sounds quite interesting, although the set price is a rather steep one.
Will be interesting to see some samples of both...


PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
They are going to call them the Somnium and the Figmentum ?

This is either silly or brilliant, I'm not sure which.

If they bothered to revive the Meyer brand why not use old Meyer trademarks ?
Plasmat
Primoplan
Helioplan
or heck, Trioplan
There's got to be three of something in there.


PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
luisalegria wrote:
They are going to call them the Somnium and the Figmentum ?

This is either silly or brilliant, I'm not sure which.

If they bothered to revive the Meyer brand why not use old Meyer trademarks ?
Plasmat
Primoplan
Helioplan
or heck, Trioplan
There's got to be three of something in there.


Plasmatioplan?
Helioprim?
Trioplasmat?

There would be many easily recognizable names... Twisted Evil

Guess they were infected by Zeiss' new naming conventions, err "marketing speak"


PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
With such price, I would rather buy an old Primoplan 75. Cool


PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You hit the nail on the head Calvin!


PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Meyer Optik Görlitz 1,4/85 Somnium seems to swirl, after first bokeh images I could see.
I wait for more info, it seems a bit like it gives sometimes bubbles. I don´t know wheter it was background of forground bokeh :-/


PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
with these prices, they cannot be made in Germany

maybe assembled, but need parts from elsewhere


PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
56 DIN wrote:
with these prices, they cannot be made in Germany

maybe assembled, but need parts from elsewhere


I think parts from elsewhere, and assembly and quality control in Germany would not be that bad.
But main thing: It should have a quality like "Made in Germany" Smile
So not like Samyang products with real infinity somwhere between 1 meter and hard infinity stop Smile


PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
calvin83 wrote:
With such price, I would rather buy an old Primoplan 75. Cool


+1


PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
kds315* wrote:
..... they were infected by Zeiss' new naming conventions, err "marketing speak"


Who the heck is responsible for those birdyish names?
What did she or he smoke, what did they have for breakfast?

I'm in deep love with my Zeiss items, no matter which year or mount, they are my fun.

But "Touit", "Otus" or "Loxia" (next name should be "vulture" for me, ha ha), how insane can an individuum be coming these vocabluary into mind??

I'm in deep compassion with Dr. Nasse about explaining the new "names"....
http://www.zeiss.com/content/dam/Photography/new/pdf/en/cln_archiv/cln39_en_web_special_tessar.pdf
http://lavidaleica.com/assets/reviews/zms/en_CLN40_Nasse_LensNames_Planar.pdf
http://www.fotoskoda.cz/images-old/multi/popisobr/ZEISS/Distagon.pdf


once there was a time Zeiss(s) did FIGHT at international courts about their name(s):
http://uni-leipzig.de/~iprserv/veranstaltungsmaterialien/comp-law_ss11_fall2.pdf

and today?

They have birds in their mind...


PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I love the old names like Tessar, Planar, Heligon, Topogon, .. which gives in most times (not always) an idea about the optical setup.
Those old lenses have a meaning that is at least partly known today - sometimes 50 years later and more.

Ok, the "USM" or "IS" from Canon is helpfull too - but not so much my interest.
Those modern names are likely 100% marketing - with not much practical use :-/


PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
"Plasmat" is a great name, should work perfectly for marketing today.
I cant imagine why they ignored it.

It sounds like either -

- A piece of equipment for which the high-energy physics lab is asking for $millions in funding.

- The super ray gun you get near the end of the video game.


PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
luisalegria wrote:
"Plasmat" is a great name, should work perfectly for marketing today.
I cant imagine why they ignored it.

It sounds like either -

- A piece of equipment for which the high-energy physics lab is asking for $millions in funding.

- The super ray gun you get near the end of the video game.

+1. All the old Plasmat sell for a large sum today. I would also recommend using other suffix on the name. They can make a Kino Plasmat with focusing gear and a Makro Plasmat with shorter MFD. Wink


PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Figmentum? Seriously? Beyond this nonsensum conventionatum, would be very interested to know the origin of the glass and design. I love 85/1.4s but the things are always so damned expensive new.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
duckrider wrote:
kds315* wrote:
..... they were infected by Zeiss' new naming conventions, err "marketing speak"


Who the heck is responsible for those birdyish names?
What did she or he smoke, what did they have for breakfast?

I'm in deep love with my Zeiss items, no matter which year or mount, they are my fun.

But "Touit", "Otus" or "Loxia" (next name should be "vulture" for me, ha ha), how insane can an individuum be coming these vocabluary into mind??

I'm in deep compassion with Dr. Nasse about explaining the new "names"....
http://www.zeiss.com/content/dam/Photography/new/pdf/en/cln_archiv/cln39_en_web_special_tessar.pdf
http://lavidaleica.com/assets/reviews/zms/en_CLN40_Nasse_LensNames_Planar.pdf
http://www.fotoskoda.cz/images-old/multi/popisobr/ZEISS/Distagon.pdf


once there was a time Zeiss(s) did FIGHT at international courts about their name(s):
http://uni-leipzig.de/~iprserv/veranstaltungsmaterialien/comp-law_ss11_fall2.pdf

and today?

They have birds in their mind...


Thakns for sharing these articles. I found a really interesting section in the first one:

Quote:
The Vario-Tessar also has little in
common with the general design of its
namesake. Its name expresses that this
Vario (zoom) lens delivers good
performance at a moderate price – like
the famous Tessar


So they started to use the name for unrelated designs these days; pretty sad that marketing dictates everything...

Btw that "mobile phone" lens looks really powerful; I thought all camera phone lenses are crap. I was wrong. Smile


PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The swirly one seems to be targeted to all people that wanted a Petzval in modern exterior.

I would have preferred a 105 or 75 .

I am not sure I want another 85.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
How could they not have asked you before!!


PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Shocking isn't it Shocked Very Happy Very Happy


PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yep, thought exactly the same!! Laughing


PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
ZoneV wrote:
The Meyer Optik Görlitz 1,4/85 Somnium seems to swirl, after first bokeh images I could see.
I wait for more info, it seems a bit like it gives sometimes bubbles. I don´t know wheter it was background of forground bokeh :-/


The Meyer Optik Görlitz 1,4/85mm Somnium has some swirl (probably less than Helios 40) but the cateye bokeh is much like I know it from the Helios 40.
At the moment I don´t know whats the Somnium has better than the Helios 40 - probably I know more after my Photokina visit.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, I had it in my hands, it is a Helios! So much about Made in Germany!
They did a little job about engraving and disguising and told me, that they will do a very good job with centering the glasses......

Shocked


Klaus


PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
exaklaus wrote:
Well, I had it in my hands, it is a Helios! So much about Made in Germany!
They did a little job about engraving and disguising and told me, that they will do a very good job with centering the glasses......

Shocked


Klaus

The sample of the Meyer Optik Görlitz 1,4/85 mm Somnium (Typ Helios) can be found on the homepage now http://www.meyer-optik-goerlitz.de/ .


PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
exaklaus wrote:
Well, I had it in my hands, it is a Helios! So much about Made in Germany!
They did a little job about engraving and disguising and told me, that they will do a very good job with centering the glasses......

Shocked


Klaus


Really looks like a Helios 40-2 copy indeed. So it will be Meyer outside and Lomo inside??


PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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