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Tedat
Joined: 08 Nov 2011 Posts: 800 Location: Berlin/Germany
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Tedat wrote:
credits go to Gerhard who hastn't a account here at mflenses but asked if I would like to share them _________________ Regards
Jan
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Sony A7RM2
Contax T*: Distagon 4/18, Distagon 2/28, Distagon 1.4/35, PC-Distagon 2.8/35, Planar 1.4/50, Planar 1.4/85, Planar 2/100, Planar 2/135, S-Planar 2.8/60, Tessar 2.8/45, Mirotar 8/500, Vario Sonnar 3.4/35-70, Vario Sonnar 4.5-5.6/100-300
Carl Zeiss for Rollei QBM: F-Distagon 2.8/16 HFT, Distagon 2.8/25, Planar 1.4/50 HFT, Sonnar 2.8/85
Konica Hexanon AR: 2.8/21, 1.2/57
Other: Minolta F2.8 [T4.5] 135mm STF, Meopta Meostigmat 1.4/70, Tokina AT-X 2.5/90.. and lots of early M42 Yashinon, Rikenon and Mamiya lenses |
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hinnerker
Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Posts: 929 Location: Germany near Kiel
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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hinnerker wrote:
Pancolart wrote: |
Photos are amazing. One of the best projection lenses imho - one could name it Cyclop's little sister . Thanks for sharing. |
This statement i have heard often... so enough reason to research, if it is wrong or right...
So i decided to make some comparison shots between Carl Zeiss Biotar 1.5/75mm and the Meostigmat on the Sony A7 with VNEX System for focussing the modified lens.
#1
The lens signature is nearly the same !!!
Differences are in infinty position... but thats no wonder, since the Meostigmat is normally only designed for 16mm Image circle and after my modification for the use on Fullframe cams.
The CZJ Biotar driven fully open at f1.5 is sharp only in center area... the Meostigmat performed nearly the same way with soft edges...
#1 = Biotar
#2 = Meostigmat
Enough similaritis to have a look at the lens scheme...
This is the CZJ BIOTAR 1.5/75mm schematic
and this is how the lenses and group of lenses take place in the Meopta Meostigmat 1.4/70mm
very similar isnt it?
a convex/plan single element, followed by a cemented group of two convex|plan|plan|concav elements and on right side of the symmetrical part followed by a cemented group of concav/concav|convex/convex elements and a convex/convex single element...
(| - (||( - - )(() - ()
So thats the reason, why the Meostigmat 1.4/70mm reminds me all the time to the BIOTAR Signature... answer is easy, they share the same lens schematic
And User "Pancolart" is right... since the Helios 40-is the russian clone of the Biotar, as far as i know.
So name the Meostigmat "poor mans Biotar"
For those of you who are interested in more informations about the conversion for Canon EF mount (0.5m to infinity) please use google translate and visit this site (german language)...
http://www.digicamclub.de/showthread.php?t=16803
The price for a already converted Meostigmat for Nikon, Canon or any other DSLR would be 235 Euro incl. a complete focussing helicoid (new aid developed since 9-15-2014 !!!)
As you can see, after my modification you can use the "Biotar-Clone" on any DSLR or Evil cam !!! Same Bokeh as with CZJ Biotar 1.5/75mm...
Very simple, because you can simply change the bayonett mount of the 52,5 mm helicoid for this Meostigmat by a 52mm reverse ring to your cam mount
There are also other modified versions for my enlarger lens System "VNEX" with a special mount for this M39 focussing enlarger lens system, showing in the next posting of User "Wolfhansen". _________________ some light-painting lens stuff..
... and an EOS 5D MKII
www.digicamclub.de
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wolfhansen
Joined: 06 Oct 2013 Posts: 511 Location: Germany, Ruhr Area
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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wolfhansen wrote:
Last weekend i try to shot a concert of
irish elvis presley impersonator James Brown aka THE KING, who
really rock the house at the Piano in Dortmund.
Brown had his big time in 1998 with his album Gravelands,
covering rock songs from ac/dc to red hot chili peppers in elvis style.
Little bit difficult to focus, but i think the Meostigmat and the VNEX-System
did a great job.
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
hinnerker wrote: |
Enough similaritis to have a look at the lens scheme...
This is the CZJ BIOTAR 1.5/75mm schematic
and this is how the lenses and group of lenses take place in the Meopta Meostigmat 1.4/70mm
very similar isnt it?
a convex/plan single element, followed by a cemented group of two convex|plan|plan|concav elements and on right side of the symmetrical part followed by a cemented group of concav/concav|convex/convex elements and a convex/convex single element...
(| - (||( - - )(() - ()
So thats the reason, why the Meostigmat 1.4/70mm reminds me all the time to the BIOTAR Signature... answer is easy, they share the same lens schematic
And User "Pancolart" is right... since the Helios 40-is the russian clone of the Biotar, as far as i know.
So name the Meostigmat "poor mans Biotar"
Cheers
Henry |
Splendid discovery! This is serious glass. I was speculating only but now it's a fact. Considering speed F1.4 and missing aperture the naming: "Cyclop's little sister (Meopta) or brother (Meostigmat)" could still make sense . _________________ ---------------------------------
The Peculiar Apparatus Of Victorian Steampunk Photography: 100+ Genuine Steampunk Camera Designs https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B92829NS |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
The Fujinon-TV 1.8/75 is also a Biotar clone. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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hinnerker
Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Posts: 929 Location: Germany near Kiel
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:27 am Post subject: |
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hinnerker wrote:
Images recovered.
Cheers
Henry _________________ some light-painting lens stuff..
... and an EOS 5D MKII
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Mark
Joined: 01 Dec 2012 Posts: 251 Location: Budapest, Hungary
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Mark wrote:
Amazing results! That's why I like this forum. _________________ Latest post on my blog (no new posts):
http://lightbeam-photography.blogspot.hu/2013/10/sword-lilies.html |
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wolfhansen
Joined: 06 Oct 2013 Posts: 511 Location: Germany, Ruhr Area
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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wolfhansen wrote:
Picture recover and update from Meostigmat
concert shooting of The King. _________________ Greets
Wolfgang |
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
Some shots with my new VNEX + 70/1.4 on an A7R
I think it will be a great artistic lens for me, the lack of an iris does reduce it's usefulness in some conditions, a trade I'm willing to make for the character this lens can bring to the images.
_________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lightshow-photography/ |
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3693 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:08 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Different results using Meostigmat 1.4/70mm & NEX-C3 depending on DOF rules and post-production:
Starring Marky _________________ ---------------------------------
The Peculiar Apparatus Of Victorian Steampunk Photography: 100+ Genuine Steampunk Camera Designs https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B92829NS |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:33 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I tried my 1.4/70 on my a850 and it just made me think 'if this thing had an aperture it would be a great lens' but it doesn't and the dof on FF is too thin to be useful in 99% of situations, sadly. I have a 20-blade solid brass aperture from an old air ministry lens I mounted in a shutter, but it looks like a hell of a job to chop the Meopta lens in half and fit the aperture. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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hinnerker
Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Posts: 929 Location: Germany near Kiel
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:22 am Post subject: |
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hinnerker wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
I tried my 1.4/70 on my a850 and it just made me think 'if this thing had an aperture it would be a great lens' but it doesn't and the dof on FF is too thin to be useful in 99% of situations, sadly. I have a 20-blade solid brass aperture from an old air ministry lens I mounted in a shutter, but it looks like a hell of a job to chop the Meopta lens in half and fit the aperture. |
Dont understand...
why shooting with a 1.4/70mm lens, if you want on the other hand use an aperture with this argument of a thin DOF...
Using an aperture on this lens means, lost of his significant signatur.
So either you are willing to train yourself in working with the Meostigmat or you better have to go for a 85/2.8 lens. _________________ some light-painting lens stuff..
... and an EOS 5D MKII
www.digicamclub.de |
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hinnerker
Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Posts: 929 Location: Germany near Kiel
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:15 am Post subject: |
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hinnerker wrote:
For those of you who are interested in using this meostigmat on mirrorless cams like Fuji X, Canon EOS-M, Sony NEX or A7 i developed a focussing aid for the original Meopta Meostigmat 1.4/70mm !!!
This works very simple:
First, the focussing aid do have a changeable mount.... a 52mm filter reverse ring to your Evil cam will give you the possibility to use this tool on nearly all mirrorless cams.
Sony NEX... and Meostigmat 1.4/70mm
Sony A7... and Meostigmat 1.4/70mm...
Olympus PEN EP-2
and would also work without further modification of the lens on each Fuji X cam, because of same near same register distance.
(but i havent a Fuji on hand)...
Here a picture showing the interchangeable mount...
Yes, you are looking right ....
After a modification of the 1.4/70mm Meopta lensbody, it will also work on a Canon EOS 5D MKII DSLR cam... !!!!
(and of course on all other EOS cams...)
But not enough with this possibilities, this new focussing aid will open some further interesting ways for the other Meostigmat lenses like Meostigmat 1.0/50mm, Meostigmat 1/70mm on mirrorless Evilcam's...
Meostigmat 1/50mm on Sony E-Mount cams (! This lens covers only APS-C format)...
Meostigmat 1/50mm on Olympus µFT cams..
Meostigmat 1/70mm on Sony E-Mount cams... (this lens also covers only APS-C frame !)
Unfortunately this 1/70mm lens cant use on µFT cams because of the very small mount... the rear lens needs to intrude some mm into the sensor chamber, but cant because of a rear-lens which is wider ... and cant intrude into the µFT mount.
If anyone is interested in the focusing aid for the line of Meostigmat lenses, contact me via Board PN or follow me over to my own board.
www.digicamclub.de
Kindly regards
Henry _________________ some light-painting lens stuff..
... and an EOS 5D MKII
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16497 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Nicely done Henry, I have a similar contraption, too - the easiest focusing mount to make but works well _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Is that a helicoid or just a sliding tube? _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Is that a helicoid or just a sliding tube? |
As far as I understand it, it is a helicoid using metal on one side and velvet on the other. So it doesn't slide, but turn. A clever solution.
I will be able to enjoy this construction soon. I just need to decide which version I order from Henry. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
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My gear: http://retrocameracs.wordpress.com/ausrustung/
Old list: http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=65 (Not up-to-date, sorry!) | http://www.lucispictor.de | http://www.alensaweek.wordpress.com |
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hinnerker
Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Posts: 929 Location: Germany near Kiel
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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hinnerker wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Is that a helicoid or just a sliding tube? |
This is helicoid like and has on one side a multiple 18 track thread, and as a counterpart a selfcutting velvet, which corresponds to the threads in the alloy body.
Rotating the lens, will move/turns the lens body forward and backwars, just like a normal helicoid, as Carsten described.
Works perfect, smooth from infinity to about 0.3m... and without any tolerances.
Regards
Henry _________________ some light-painting lens stuff..
... and an EOS 5D MKII
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hinnerker
Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Posts: 929 Location: Germany near Kiel
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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hinnerker wrote:
One piece of this helicoid is on the way to our User "buggz" ...
he plans to use it with a shorten Meostigmat on his Canon 5D MKII...
Hope he will report after his unit arrives.
Regards
Henry _________________ some light-painting lens stuff..
... and an EOS 5D MKII
www.digicamclub.de |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16497 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Interesting idea, I wonder how long the life cycle of the velvet will be _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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hinnerker
Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Posts: 929 Location: Germany near Kiel
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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hinnerker wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
Interesting idea, I wonder how long the life cycle of the velvet will be |
No problem after nearly 3 days of auto-rotating on a special constructed machine... and if it should be neccessary to replace the velvet in the future, its no problem to tape another stripe of the velvet on the Meopta Meostigmat 1.4/70mm...
Simply screw in the new prepaired Meostigmat and enjoy...
Here you can see the velvet counterpart of the prototype... after 3 days of rotating the Meostigmat in the focusing aid...
For me and others, this works perfect... and if it should be necessary sometimes, no problem to replace the velvet after thousends and thousends turns.... replacement can be done by yourself for some cents...
This solution for the line of Meopta Meostigmat lenses is simply clever and easy to understand.
regards
Henry _________________ some light-painting lens stuff..
... and an EOS 5D MKII
www.digicamclub.de
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I tried my 1.4/70 on my a850 today. Held against the mount, it only focuses about 20cm away and I see no way to shorten the tube by much, so it's for mirrorless only.
So, anyone want to buy a Meostigmat 1.4/70 new, used only once briefly, in original case? _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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hinnerker
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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hinnerker wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
I tried my 1.4/70 on my a850 today. Held against the mount, it only focuses about 20cm away and I see no way to shorten the tube by much, so it's for mirrorless only.
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Wrong statement... as you can see... if you would follow, what people posting here in this thread, you would have read that you can modify the lens to work on a Canon DSLR... and this one has a mirror-box. So its not only for mirrorless cams, only because you dont know how to modify the Meostigmat tubes.
If it fits to a Sony A850 or not depends on the hole diameter of the A-mount, because the rear lens has to intrude in the mirrorbox for some mm and this requires a minimum mount diameter of 47mm.
Sony A-Mount doesnt have this min. diameter as far as i know, so you can say... it works not on my Sony A850, but you cant say in generell, that this is only for mirrorless cams.
So you can simply say, that there are mounts, on which the Meostigmat will work and others on which it wont work.
But to say... its only for mirrorless is simply wrong _________________ some light-painting lens stuff..
... and an EOS 5D MKII
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
No need to be so critical.
Okay, so it will work on an EOS, but it will not work on a Sony DSLR or DSLT. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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buggz
Joined: 22 Jun 2011 Posts: 44
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:21 am Post subject: |
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buggz wrote:
Can barely wait!
I also will use the Meostigmat with the VNEX system on my FujiFilm X-E1.
hinnerker wrote: |
One piece of this helicoid is on the way to our User "buggz" ...
he plans to use it with a shorten Meostigmat on his Canon 5D MKII...
Hope he will report after his unit arrives.
Regards
Henry |
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ZoneV
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ZoneV wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
No need to be so critical.
Okay, so it will work on an EOS, but it will not work on a Sony DSLR or DSLT. |
I have modifed my Meopta Meostigmat 70mm/1.4 for Canon EOS with a macro teleconverter helicoid. From what I remember there should be enough room for Sony DSLR too. Have to search for the lens at home. _________________ Camera modification, repair and DIY - some links to look through: http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/index-en.html
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