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Mamiya sekor 200/3.5 sharpest 200mm is it?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:00 pm    Post subject: Mamiya sekor 200/3.5 sharpest 200mm is it? Reply with quote
Today i use my old mamiya sekor 200/3.5
With my samsung nx3000




PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Great lens,. Probably made by Tokina.

This is known because the IQ

Which of the three versions do you have? Based on http://mamiya-nc-m42.mflenses.com/m42_lenses.htm


PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nice shots, and good to know. I bought a Mamiya Sekor 200/3.5 a while back just to have a 200mm for my M42 cameras, figuring that a Mamiya lens would be a good choice. I paid next to nothing for it. But you know, after I bought it, I just put it in my photo gear storage cabinet. I haven't even tried it out yet. Guess I need to do something about that, especially after seeing your shots.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have a Tokina 200mm F3.5 But my Takumar 200mm 3.5 is sharper and so is my Jupiter 21M

Lying in the DOF by random dump, on Flickr

Bokeh by random dump, on Flickr


PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
And, in order with the 200 mm lenses mentioned here, what about the IQ of the MD minolta 200/4 and the last canon nfd 200/4?


PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
papasito wrote:
And, in order with the 200 mm lenses mentioned here, what about the IQ of the MD minolta 200/4 and the last canon nfd 200/4?


Cannot say anything about Canon as I don't own any Canon lens. However, the Minolta MD 200mm/F4 which I have in the latest MD II version which is identical to the MD III version is an excellent performer already wide open. In comparison to the Takumar 200mm/F3.5 which has been mentioned here before it's slightly better in terms of CA correction. In terms of sharpness they are quite similar.

Example of the Minolta MD 200mm/F4 fully open:



My best lens in 200mm at least in terms of CA correction is the Leitz Telyt 200mm/F4 (Visoflex version) which can be considered as an "APO"-lens in that respect:

Example fully open as well:



Stephan from Artaphot who tested a lot more different lenses in this focal length rates the Minolta one as one of the best. I only have 4 different 200mm primes for comparison and nothing from Canikon at all. However, he didn't say anything about the Leitz Telyt up to now.

Finally I can say that my Minolta AF 80-200mm/F2.8 HS APO zoom beats them all at 200mm, at least in "pixel peeping mode". Wink


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
tb_a wrote:
papasito wrote:
And, in order with the 200 mm lenses mentioned here, what about the IQ of the MD minolta 200/4 and the last canon nfd 200/4?


Cannot say anything about Canon as I don't own any Canon lens. However, the Minolta MD 200mm/F4 which I have in the latest MD II version which is identical to the MD III version is an excellent performer already wide open. In comparison to the Takumar 200mm/F3.5 which has been mentioned here before it's slightly better in terms of CA correction. In terms of sharpness they are quite similar.

Example of the Minolta MD 200mm/F4 fully open:



My best lens in 200mm at least in terms of CA correction is the Leitz Telyt 200mm/F4 (Visoflex version) which can be considered as an "APO"-lens in that respect:

Example fully open as well:



Stephan from Artaphot who tested a lot more different lenses in this focal length rates the Minolta one as one of the best. I only have 4 different 200mm primes for comparison and nothing from Canikon at all. However, he didn't say anything about the Leitz Telyt up to now.

Finally I can say that my Minolta AF 80-200mm/F2.8 HS APO zoom beats them all at 200mm, at least in "pixel peeping mode". Wink


Great images

Both.

The Telyt is one of the best 200 mm lenses.

But not common.

The Minolta and the Canon are easyly find to purchase.

Thank you.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Hexanon 3.5/200 is the sharpest 200 for 35mm SLRs I've tried, Olympus Zuiko 4/200 is pretty good too.

Sharpest overall would be the Bronica Zenzanon-S 4.5/200.

Most 200s I've tried left me underwhelmed.


PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:

The Hexanon 3.5/200 is the sharpest 200 for 35mm SLRs I've tried

Most 200s I've tried left me underwhelmed.


I agree, 100% !


PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Papasito, thanks for that link. It helped me identify my Mamiya 200/3.5 as the Type III. I was walking around the house yesterday, looking for stuff to shoot with my Mamiya 200. Found a coupe of subjects.

There was some purple and green fringing visible at higher magnifications. I was able to eliminate almost all of the purple fringing, but the green has been much more stubborn, and I don't know why. It is quite obvious on the OOF highlights in the second image.
NEX 7 @ ISO 100:



Last edited by cooltouch on Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:40 pm; edited 1 time in total


PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
cooltouch wrote:
Papasito, thanks for that link. It helped me identify my Mamiya 200/3.5 as the Type III.


It's the same lens konwn as Mamiya SX and Rolleinar MC 200/3,5 made by Mamiya for Rollei SLR.


PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
The Hexanon 3.5/200 is the sharpest 200 for 35mm SLRs I've tried, Olympus Zuiko 4/200 is pretty good too.

Sharpest overall would be the Bronica Zenzanon-S 4.5/200.

Most 200s I've tried left me underwhelmed.

Can you send the sharpest examples please of the hexanon


PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Some quick samples i shot around the house to show the Hexanon 3.5/200. All are wide open and straight out of cam JPG, if i get some spare time i'll take it out and shoot some proper samples with it and open a new topic specific for this lens as there's not much to find about it.

You'll see that it is plenty sharp, even at f/3.5. Also notice the purple fringing on high contrast edges in the last picture, which is gone when you stop it down.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Excuse me mamiya is better


PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
dr.volkan wrote:
Excuse me mamiya is better


To each their own!


PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
cooltouch wrote:
Papasito, thanks for that link. It helped me identify my Mamiya 200/3.5 as the Type III. I was walking around the house yesterday, looking for stuff to shoot with my Mamiya 200. Found a coupe of subjects.

There was some purple and green fringing visible at higher magnifications. I was able to eliminate almost all of the purple fringing, but the green has been much more stubborn, and I don't know why. It is quite obvious on the OOF highlights in the second image.
NEX 7 @ ISO 100:



You have the same lenses as the Mamiya SX version and branded Rolleinar MC 200/3,5 for the Rollei SRL 35 mm camera.


PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Micro-Nikkor 200mm F4 AF-D is the sharpest 200mm lens that I've shot with. It is reputed to be Nikon's sharpest lens ever made.


PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
papasito wrote:
Great lens,. Probably made by Tokina.

This is known because the IQ

Which of the three versions do you have? Based on http://mamiya-nc-m42.mflenses.com/m42_lenses.htm


Model II looks like Cosinon 3.5/200mm: http://allphotolenses.com/lenses/item/c_632.html


PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I recently aqcuired a Panagor 200mm F3.5 and it looks very similar to the version 2 of the mamiya-sekor.

Mamiya:


Panagor:


PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
fiftyonepointsix wrote:
The Micro-Nikkor 200mm F4 AF-D is the sharpest 200mm lens that I've shot with. It is reputed to be Nikon's sharpest lens ever made.


The Canon L 1,8/200 is an excellent lens too


PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
papasito wrote:
fiftyonepointsix wrote:
The Micro-Nikkor 200mm F4 AF-D is the sharpest 200mm lens that I've shot with. It is reputed to be Nikon's sharpest lens ever made.


The Canon L 1,8/200 is an excellent lens too


But what is the best affordable 200mm lens?

From my lenses it is between the Takumar 200mm F3.5 and The Jupiter 21m F4. Both extremely sharp.


PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Minolta MD 200/4 (last version) is a very sharp lens, also very very light so great to handle.
OM 200/4 is also very good (not quite as sharp, but warmer colors and softer blur)
There are dozens of good ones out there (like Konica 200/3.5), we are splitting hairs here.
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