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Bob van Sikorski
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:02 pm Post subject: Limits of Kodak Gold 200@160 (hi-res samples) |
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Bob van Sikorski wrote:
Here are few samples showing limitations of Kodak Gold 200 shooted at 160 (click for ~7,0Mpix scans made on Epson V500, then sharped and scaled to ~3,5Mpix).
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9097 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Well, the tonal range, sharpness and saturation look good. I don't recall ever shooting Kodak Gold 200 at EI 160, but I've down-rated the ISO on other print emulsions. Typically it gives a noticeable improvement to color saturation. Is that what you're finding to be true with the Kodak 200? _________________ Michael
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Bob van Sikorski
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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Bob van Sikorski wrote:
yes, it is same. _________________ Rokkor (MD 45/2.0, MC PF 50/1.7), Porst Color Reflex MC Auto 55/1.2, Jupiter 135/3.5
Minolta X-700, Minolta Dynax 4, Flexaret IIa (later version), Flexaret VI
Voigtländer Avus 9x12 (1927-1935 version)
Epson V500 + VueScan/Linux + RawTherapee 4.x + GIMP/wavelett sharpen plugin
Meopta Magnifax III (up to 6x9) + Opemus III (up to 6x6), Rodenstock Rodagon 50/2.8, Meopta Anaret 105/4.5
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10463 Location: California
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Such beautiful countryside and gardens! mmmmmmmm, gooseberries! _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto
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Bob van Sikorski
Joined: 12 Jan 2009 Posts: 287 Location: Czech Republic
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Bob van Sikorski wrote:
especially for you: its YUMY also!
this is actually red currant _________________ Rokkor (MD 45/2.0, MC PF 50/1.7), Porst Color Reflex MC Auto 55/1.2, Jupiter 135/3.5
Minolta X-700, Minolta Dynax 4, Flexaret IIa (later version), Flexaret VI
Voigtländer Avus 9x12 (1927-1935 version)
Epson V500 + VueScan/Linux + RawTherapee 4.x + GIMP/wavelett sharpen plugin
Meopta Magnifax III (up to 6x9) + Opemus III (up to 6x6), Rodenstock Rodagon 50/2.8, Meopta Anaret 105/4.5
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eeyore_nl
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 837 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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eeyore_nl wrote:
Interesting to see how it performs here. Better than in my experiences. _________________ Fujifilm X-Pro2 / Fujifilm X-T1 / some Sonnar & Takumar lenses |
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fish4570
Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 4514 Location: At the confluence of the Locust Fork of the Warrior River and Black Creek, Alabama
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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fish4570 wrote:
Nice 3D effect in most of the images. I like Kodak Gold 200, but I have always shot it at box speed.
I especially like the top photo.
What kit did you use? _________________ Paul
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Bob van Sikorski
Joined: 12 Jan 2009 Posts: 287 Location: Czech Republic
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Bob van Sikorski wrote:
As usual this, only 1+3+4 are taken with minolta 28-80 kitlens (manually focused ) - i dont have wide angle manual lens. _________________ Rokkor (MD 45/2.0, MC PF 50/1.7), Porst Color Reflex MC Auto 55/1.2, Jupiter 135/3.5
Minolta X-700, Minolta Dynax 4, Flexaret IIa (later version), Flexaret VI
Voigtländer Avus 9x12 (1927-1935 version)
Epson V500 + VueScan/Linux + RawTherapee 4.x + GIMP/wavelett sharpen plugin
Meopta Magnifax III (up to 6x9) + Opemus III (up to 6x6), Rodenstock Rodagon 50/2.8, Meopta Anaret 105/4.5
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eeyore_nl
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:31 am Post subject: |
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eeyore_nl wrote:
Bob van Sikorski wrote: |
As usual this, only 1+3+4 are taken with minolta 28-80 kitlens (manually focused ) - i dont have wide angle manual lens. |
28mm is usually wide angle enough for my taste _________________ Fujifilm X-Pro2 / Fujifilm X-T1 / some Sonnar & Takumar lenses |
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Bob van Sikorski
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Bob van Sikorski wrote:
well, several months ago (i believe its more tha one year), i have for few days 20mm/F3.5 Mir - BIG lens but i really liked it. In some cases, 28mm is not wide enough. but in general, i completely agree. _________________ Rokkor (MD 45/2.0, MC PF 50/1.7), Porst Color Reflex MC Auto 55/1.2, Jupiter 135/3.5
Minolta X-700, Minolta Dynax 4, Flexaret IIa (later version), Flexaret VI
Voigtländer Avus 9x12 (1927-1935 version)
Epson V500 + VueScan/Linux + RawTherapee 4.x + GIMP/wavelett sharpen plugin
Meopta Magnifax III (up to 6x9) + Opemus III (up to 6x6), Rodenstock Rodagon 50/2.8, Meopta Anaret 105/4.5
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10463 Location: California
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:55 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
That does look tasty indeed. Thank you! Blackberries other side? Made just the way I like...
The Wild Gooseberries here have spines, there are not enough Wild Currants though Huckleberry bushes are thick and abundant, though a challenge to gather enough for a pie, but the reward is well worth the effort, just elbow the bears in the way Salmon, Black caps, Salal, Manzanita, and of course Black berries. Wild Strawberries get big in gardens. North of here is Oregon Grape, and farther in Washington is a berry even more delicious than and similar to Blackberry in appearance but larger and ranges in color from yellow to deep orange...the name escapes me. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto
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Bob van Sikorski
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Bob van Sikorski wrote:
we have several types of gooseberries in our garden, some have small spines and tastes excellent (dont even mention other types of "products of nature" which i dont even know their czech name ). this depends on variety, some can be terrible in our climate, some are gorgeous and tasty. speciality of czech republic is that, we can have 18 degrees of celsius one day and 5 on other. record made here in my lifetime was 28 degrees celsius drop between morning and 12AM in the same day! also, in summer, you can see as much as ~37°C in shadow (over 60 in sunlight), but in winter, you can found yourself "shaking" in -20°C. so we need here to yuse of types, which survives small amount of watter in summer, but dont freeze to death in winter. _________________ Rokkor (MD 45/2.0, MC PF 50/1.7), Porst Color Reflex MC Auto 55/1.2, Jupiter 135/3.5
Minolta X-700, Minolta Dynax 4, Flexaret IIa (later version), Flexaret VI
Voigtländer Avus 9x12 (1927-1935 version)
Epson V500 + VueScan/Linux + RawTherapee 4.x + GIMP/wavelett sharpen plugin
Meopta Magnifax III (up to 6x9) + Opemus III (up to 6x6), Rodenstock Rodagon 50/2.8, Meopta Anaret 105/4.5
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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10463 Location: California
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:00 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
I don't know Czech names either!
Huckleberry in flower (flowers about 1/2cm, leaves 2-3cm long), immature berries:
Salmon berry flower (~3cm) also called Thimble berry; berries detached look like small sewing thimble, the dimpled tip, red:
Black caps are similar to Salmon/Thimble, half the size, dark red-purple.
Manzanita (or Urva Ursi) flower (Arctostaphylos), 1/2cm; fruits look and taste like tiny apples, texture is like and is sweet as coarse raw sugar. Not much flesh and hard red seeds inside, usually they are dried, crushed, & seeds sifted to separate the sweet 'flour' -- definitely a wild food not many know or have tried:
Here also, on high ridge within reach of winds blowing over 5-10C ocean, temperature swings wildly too, sometimes 20C one day (within hours) and 5C the next. Perfect berry-growing weather? To the south is California wine country; similar hot days, cool nights produce flavorful grapes. _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto
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fish4570
Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 4514 Location: At the confluence of the Locust Fork of the Warrior River and Black Creek, Alabama
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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fish4570 wrote:
gorgeous flora ... _________________ Paul
I chase Light
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Excalibur
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
***Here are few samples showing limitations of Kodak Gold 200 shooted at 160 (click for ~7,0Mpix scans made on Epson V500, then sharped and scaled to ~3,5Mpix).***
Well I don't understand the thread as shooting colour neg film at 160asa instead of 200asa is not going to make any difference in practice (well might in a scientific/laboratory test), anyway when I can always set the asa rating down as safety factor for mistakes in slight under exposure from user error or old cameras.
Also the mention of "limitations" of gold? compared to what? Fuji 200asa or slide film? as far as I know Gold was produced mainly for cheap P&S cameras to give more vivid colours, but I have used it quite a few times and can't think of anything serious to complain about.
Viv 28-105mm Kodak gold, and it would seem the horse is going blind in one eye:-
_________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
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Bob van Sikorski
Joined: 12 Jan 2009 Posts: 287 Location: Czech Republic
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:31 am Post subject: |
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Bob van Sikorski wrote:
well, gold200 used as 160 gives better results, at least for me. you can say lot of things about "why to do that", but it doenst change anything about my point of view. by "limitations" i mean mostly the grain, which is very limiting details in photos compare to pro films like Ektar100. this thread is not about "how gold200 is shitty", its abou "look, gives great result, but with some limits, dont expect too much from it".
btw your sample is too small, i was putting here BIG scans for a reason . but nice horse. _________________ Rokkor (MD 45/2.0, MC PF 50/1.7), Porst Color Reflex MC Auto 55/1.2, Jupiter 135/3.5
Minolta X-700, Minolta Dynax 4, Flexaret IIa (later version), Flexaret VI
Voigtländer Avus 9x12 (1927-1935 version)
Epson V500 + VueScan/Linux + RawTherapee 4.x + GIMP/wavelett sharpen plugin
Meopta Magnifax III (up to 6x9) + Opemus III (up to 6x6), Rodenstock Rodagon 50/2.8, Meopta Anaret 105/4.5
Proud user of czech films! company homepage: foma.cz, buy here: fomafoto.com |
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Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5019 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
Bob van Sikorski wrote: |
well, gold200 used as 160 gives better results, at least for me. you can say lot of things about "why to do that", but it doenst change anything about my point of view. by "limitations" i mean mostly the grain, which is very limiting details in photos compare to pro films like Ektar100. this thread is not about "how gold200 is shitty", its abou "look, gives great result, but with some limits, dont expect too much from it".
btw your sample is too small, i was putting here BIG scans for a reason . but nice horse. |
erm well sorry to disagree again:- but using gold at 160asa on any camera? and using the cameras in built exposure meter? or do you use a Kodak grey card with a spot on calibrated exposure meter before each shot? Do you use fresh film everytime because Kodak gold is designed to "mature" for best results after a certain time...also scanning can introduce more errrors and would also say that the C41 process should be the same anywhere in theory but results on negs can vary from whom is doing the processing.
As for grain, I had no idea what Gold was like so scanned a Gold neg at 3200:-
Scanner V750 as it comes just colour correction using Epson scan program, Kodak Gold with Helios 58mm lens:-
Blow up which would be a picture of 6' across, measured across a computer screen:-
_________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from good to excellent. |
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