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Pancolart
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Pancolart wrote:
SCHNEIDER-KREUZNACH SYMMAR 12/370mm LF lens: 19 blades.
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RioRico
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RioRico wrote:
Just a few more:
Focusing:
Asahi Pentax Tele-Takumar (M42) 200/5.6: 10 blades
Enna Tele-Ennalyt (M42) 240/4.5: 10 blades
Meyer Helioplan (Exakta) 40/4.5: 12 blades
Non-focusing:
Steinheil Culminar VL (M42-EN) 105/4.5: 16 blades
(actually a bellows-macro lens, but I'll call it ENlarging)
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ramiller500
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ramiller500 wrote:
Shoot wide open and you'll never need to care about blade count.
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Arkku
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Arkku wrote:
I omitted these previously as I thought 10 blades isn't “enough”, but since there are others with that number on the list:
Pentacon 30mm f/3.5 (probably Meyer Lydith too) – 10 blades
MIR-1V 37mm f/2.8 – 10 blades
Steinheil-München Quinar 135mm f/2.8 – 10 blades
Sony or Minolta STF 135mm f/2.8 t/4.5 – 10 blades |
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Pancolart
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
| ramiller500 wrote: |
| Shoot wide open and you'll never need to care about blade count. |
99% i do. Nevertheless circular apertures are still very cool.
| Arkku wrote: |
| I omitted these previously as I thought 10 blades isn't “enough” |
Big list is fine but to make it to the Hall of fame i guess 15 is minimum.
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RioRico
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RioRico wrote:
I think listing the 'shorties' with only 10-14 blades is interesting as showing trends in makers, mounts, and FL's towards more or fewer blades.
Also of interest would be a list of variants. My most prominent entry there would be a CZJ Tessar 50/2.8 -- my big black M42 version (#10791837) has only 5 blades, while my little aluminum Exakta version (#3637326) has 12 blades. That is why I included mount information in all that I've listed, because lens versions can vary so much.
We often assume that more blades --> better boken. Yet at the other end of the blade-count spectrum, my Schneider Betavaron 50-125 enlarger zoom has only 5 blades that form a distinctly stellar aperture as they close down, yet give an ultra-creamy bokeh. Perhaps the lens' 800g of glass has something to do with that, eh?
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kryss
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:21 am Post subject: muiti blade lenses |
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kryss wrote:
My Peerotar 135mm f2.8 Has 20 blades and my Tele Vivitar 200mm f3.5 preset has 18 blades |
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luisalegria
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luisalegria wrote:
Hi Kryss,
Do you have a picture of that Peerotar ?
From what I now know of that brand the lens could be a Komura, Fujita or Kyoei.
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JohnBee
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:58 am Post subject: Re: Lens with most aperture blades? |
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JohnBee wrote:
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updated:
Schneider Xenar 3.5/240: 30 blades
Noflexar 5.6/400mm: 24 blades
TAIR-11A 2.8/135mm: 20 blades
Komura Koki Tokyo 2.8/135mm: 20 blades
Meyer-Optik Görlitz Orestegor 4/300mm: 19 blades
CZJ Biotar T 5.8/2, 58/2 (manual): 17 blades
TAIR-3S 4.5/300mm: 16 blades
Steinheil München Culminar 135 & 85mm: 16 blades
Sankyo Kohki Komura 105mm f/2.5: 16 blades
Isco-Göttingen Tele-Westanar 135mm f/3.5: 15 blades
Ernst Leitz Wetzlar Summarit: 1.5/5cm: 15 blades
Ernst Leitz Wetzlar Hektor 13,5/4,5: 15 blades
Vivitar 85/1.8 (T-mount): 15 blades
Jupiter-9: 15 blades
Meyer Trioplan V 100/2.8: 15 blades
Meyer Orestor (preset Pentacon) 135/2.8: 15 blades
Meyer Telemegor V 180/5.5: 15 blades
Meyer Orestegor 200/4: 15 blades
Meyer Primoplan V 75/1.9: 15 blades
Meyer Primoplan V 58/1.9 (manual, pre-set): 14 blades
CZJ Flektogon T 35/2.8 (pre-set): 14 blades
KMZ Helios 44 58/2 (old KMZ version): 13 blades
ZOMZ Jupiter-3 Π 50/1,5: 13 blades
Meyer Telefogar V 90/3.5: 12 blades
Meyer Trioplan 50/2.8: 12 blades
CZJ Biotar T 58/2 (early pre-set model): 12 blades
CZJ Biometar 80/2.8 (pre-set): 12 blades
CZJ Tessar T 40/4.5 (manual): 10 blades
CZJ Biotar T 75/1.5 (pre-set): 10 blades (round at f/1.8 and f/16)
Meyer Helioplan V 40/4.5 (pre-set): 10 blades
Meyer Primagon V 35/4.5 (pre-set): 10 blades
Asahi Auto Takumar 35/2.3: 10 blades |
Seeing lists like these remind me of just how insignificant my lens collection truly is!  |
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Seems to me it was primarily the German companies (and out of those, primarily Meyer) who had an obsession with mucho blades...
However, the best bokeh lenses I have have 6 blades - Helios 44, Petri 1.8/55, and the Pentacons I have (1.8/50 and 2.8/2 with more blades have lessser bokeh...
So what is more important for bokeh - optical formula or number of blades?
I'm thinking it's optical formula because the Helios and Petri are both 6 element double gauss designs...
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kryss
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:21 am Post subject: Peerotar 135mm f2.8 20 blade |
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kryss wrote:
Herewith pics of Peeerotar, I also have a Wollensak 182mm f4.5 enlarging lens with 18blades, focus to infinity with bellows and great for macro.http://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/20114/1892_DSCF1205_1.jpg
http://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/20114/1892_DSCF1208_1.jpg |
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kryss
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:22 am Post subject: Re pics |
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kryss wrote:
OOPS not got hang of posting pics yet. |
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luisalegria
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luisalegria wrote:
Thanks Kryss,
I think its been established by the Soligor identification crew that that lens is actually a Komura. I have one of each in the Peerotar and Soligor brands.
I'm trying to figure out what else was sold as a Peerotar. There may be another early Japanese maker they sold.
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Laurentiu Cristofor
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Laurentiu Cristofor wrote:
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All this mechanical fuss just to make a round hole??
Blades are overrated. Waterhouse stops for the win!  |
Agree. Beyond 10 curved blades, it makes little importance how many there are.
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walter g
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walter g wrote:
Kryss, I thought you might want to see the Juplen version of your lens, also Komura made.
Sorry for the bad pic. I hope to have a fully functioning DSLR soon.
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Are Komura lenses well regarded?
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AhamB
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AhamB wrote:
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
However, the best bokeh lenses I have have 6 blades - Helios 44, Petri 1.8/55, and the Pentacons I have (1.8/50 and 2.8/2 with more blades have lessser bokeh...
So what is more important for bokeh - optical formula or number of blades?
I'm thinking it's optical formula because the Helios and Petri are both 6 element double gauss designs... |
The optical design is a bigger factor, but lenses with only 6 blades can get (imo) ugly hexagons when there are highlights in the background (or foreground) blur and lines in the bokeh.
Lenses with only 6 blades also give boring diffraction stars with only 6 spikes. I like the stars you get with 9 blades (18 spikes): http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/999661/0#9495246
For macro lenses I would prefer to have a high number of blades like 20 or so. Lenses with 9 blades still often show things like this:
http://1x.com/photo/35951/portfolio/50215
http://1x.com/photo/39005/portfolio/27566
Not everyone minds the "geometric" bokeh, but I would like it better if the highlights in the background were as close as possible to circular.
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Thankyou Aham, that is a very good explanation.
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LucisPictor wrote:
Here is another one:
A.Schacht Ulm Travenon 4.5/135
17 or 18 (I need to count again  )
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luisalegria
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Some Komuras, the series of large aperture 80-135mm with Ernostar formulas, have a cult following and fetch high prices.
Most other Komuras have usually been ignored, perhaps because Komura was always lousy at marketing.
Some people, I am one of them, think the "lesser" Komuras are often extremely fine lenses also.
http://forum.mflenses.com/komura-135-2-8-preset-unidapter-m42-just-lovely-t16267,highlight,%2Bkomura.html
This has a 12-pointed "star" aperture btw.
http://forum.mflenses.com/super-komura-90-250-4-5-uni-auto-m42-mount-t15360,highlight,%2Bkomura.html
I have a mixed opinion of this particular lens (yours and mine, in the Peerotar/Soligor brands), which I believe is a very early Komura which first came out maybe in 1954 based on catalogs of the time. I need to try it again.
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Jeff Zen
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Jeff Zen wrote:
Here's my early Viv 200mm f3.5 Preset. 18 blade. I think.
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alex.g
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alex.g wrote:
Carl Zeiss Jena, Tessar 4.5/135
have no lens in front of me, but on Monday.
I think about 20 blades |
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kryss
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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kryss wrote:
In mint condition..Meyer Gorlitz Telemegor 250mm f5.5 18blade. |
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Pancolart
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
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Here's my early Viv 200mm f3.5 Preset. 18 blade. I think.
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Splendid addition to my mysterious lens collection identifiable by unique blades turned upward:
http://forum.mflenses.com/mistery-lenses-collection-t23606.html
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newton
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newton wrote:
Another that may not have been mentioned is the 200 mm Spiratone with 15 blades, forms almost a perfect circle. It looks vaguely like that Vivitar mentioned above but with five fewer blades. |
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