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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:59 pm Post subject: Leitz Canada Telyt-R 1:4/250 MM first version [new pics] |
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ForenSeil wrote:
Hi!
Got this lens very cheap (~80€), due potential reselling profit I couldn't resist.
Build quality is very good, very strong, thick and massive brass, but the lens is damn heavy aswell (like Tair-3 etc. or even heavier, but at least more compact), which is the biggest con of this lens.
Optically this first version of the lens has often slightly negative ratings, so I expected nothing, but I found that it's actually quite nice as albeit sharpness and resolution are not made for intense pixel peeping nerds like some other Leica Telyt's are, but it's more than sharp enough, colors and contrast are very decent and CA's are also very well controlled. There is some (very minor and smooth, some would call it (sarcasm ) "Leica-) glow wide open (only) in 100% view, but gets invisbile @F5.6, overall it as a nice performance also at wide apertures.
MFD is around 3,8m, so it's not a lens for macros or close up, but good enough for nice potraits.
Due Leica-R mount it can be easily adapted to most DSLRs (Canon EF, Sony A,..., due focal length even Nikon if you don't care about very far distances).
Here some quick test shots from today, all F5.6 (or some F4 maybe) in clouded light, all 1/800s and so quite high ISO on Sony A7 (full frame). All handheld of course.
_________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
(German language)
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timo832000
Joined: 09 Jun 2008 Posts: 544 Location: Germany / Cologne
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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timo832000 wrote:
Nice results, usually this lens sells for 200€+ in good condition so you got a real bargain.
Please show us some crops even if they do not look so good.
Have you already tried this lens for long distance shots?
Timo _________________ I love Leica ! But I need Pentax |
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cyrano
Joined: 15 Feb 2013 Posts: 855 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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cyrano wrote:
Whatever this sells for you have done it justice, great focusing skills there, keep it until you get a silly offer, _________________ A whole bunch of stuff. |
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
Here two crops; lens stopped down to F5.6
But don't forget it's handheld; 250mm is not easy to keep steady on a 24MP sensor, also at 1/800s, especially with moving objects where you can't hold you breath.
With some contrasty sunlight they would have looked a little sharper for sure.
Imho it's not for pixel peeping (look what my Rodagon 105 does for instance at 100% https://www.flickr.com/photos/54671350@N02/13611442544/sizes/o/in/set-72157632873067443/ ) but more than good enough I would say
cyrano wrote: |
Whatever this sells for you have done it justice, great focusing skills there, keep it until you get a silly offer, |
Thx, but focusing tele lenses outdoors with Sony A7 is quite easy due focus peaking and usually even I'm better
I almost forgot to say, you have to turn the focusing ring a lot for focusing, which is nice for precise potrait focusing but is more demanding for sports etc., especially at distances of less than 5m where you have the turn the focusing ring 180° for only 1m difference or something like that. My Nikon 180/2.8 ED works much easier for sports here. _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
(German language)
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6624 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Wow that lens renders beautifully! Great pop _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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timo832000
Joined: 09 Jun 2008 Posts: 544 Location: Germany / Cologne
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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timo832000 wrote:
looks fine for me. _________________ I love Leica ! But I need Pentax |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I have to say, looks a fair bit less good than the Konica Hexanon 4.5/300 and I don't think it's better than a good copy of the Tair-3 either. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57839 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Cheap Leica rarely good , rarely better than anything else, rather worst. Great pictures, lovely dogs, congrats!! _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Gerald
Joined: 25 Mar 2014 Posts: 1196 Location: Brazil
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Leitz Canada Telyt-R 1:4/250 MM first version, quick tes |
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Gerald wrote:
ForenSeil wrote: |
Optically this first version of the lens has often slightly negative ratings,
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Nice pictures with typical Sony greens!
I could not see any major flaw in your lens, which seems to be better than average.
The Telyt-R 250mm F4 uses an optical scheme much like the SMC Pentax 300mm F4.
The greatest difficulty of using telephoto lenses to shoot action is putting the focus on the desired point. For example, in the Picture below the focus is on the dog's tail instead of the head.
_________________ If raindrops were perfect lenses, the rainbow did not exist. |
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
Thank you for comments!
I think I will try it again once with good light and more bokeh and then decide if I will keep it at least for a few more months or until I find something better or lighter
Would be nice to find the second version of this lens for cheap aswell, it's said to be dramatically sharper, contrastier and most important also lighter. As this lens is already very good the second version must be simply awesome
Though I've never seen it going for less than ~300€ so far, but maybe a good offer will come one day
@Ian -
the Konica is already on my wishlist
Btw., how large is it compared to the Tair for example? Is it more compact?
I had two Tair-3's (one un- or single-coated was crap, one MC was very good), it's imho too large for taking on a longer walkaround (does not even fit into my bag) which is a big drawback for me, while the Leitz fit into my usual shoulder bag. The Tair always needs and extra hand for transportation. IQ wise I would rate my better Tair-3 copy indeed to be on about the same level optically, especially when both are stopped down, though they have very different character. _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
(German language)
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6006 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
Active dogs - lovely colours.
I've given up trying to chase subjects like these with an MF telephoto. For my old eyes it is simply a waste of time.
You have done remarkably well under the circumstances.
I would have reached for an AF lens if I'd had one at the time, but as calvin83 says:
the best lens to use is the one you have with you.
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
As promised more samples with brighter light, from a walk with my dog.
Unfortunately my adapter has a light leak issue; I always had to close the leak with one finger which made focusing extra hard this time, with better adapter results might have been better https://www.flickr.com/photos/54671350@N02/13853296765/in/photostream/
All shots F5.6 or a half stop between F5.6 and F8, except #2 which might be wide open.
All shot handheld (not easy with 250mm, 24MP and moving objects)
All have slight PP, some sharpening, noise reduction, added a little "dynamic"/saturation in Lightroom to get an even more vivid look (in some like #6 it became a little too much, sry).
#1
#2
#3
#4
#5 (larger: https://www.flickr.com/photos/54671350@N02/13877898263/sizes/k/in/photostream/ )
#6
#8
#9
#10
100% crop:
#11
#12
#13 (cropped to 12,5MP, view larger: https://www.flickr.com/photos/54671350@N02/13877776143/sizes/k/in/photostream/ )
#14
Conlusion:
+ No major optical flaws
+ Decent bluish CA control and low vignetting (might work very decent for deep sky photography)
+ Decent colors
+ Leica R mount - easy to adapt to almost every DSLR
+ Build like a tank
+ More compact than many comparable lenses
+ Build in hood which is very effective
- "Only" F4
- Resolution is good but there are a crispier ones
- Lens is very heavy
- MFD of 3,8m only (~potrait distance)
- Focus is smooth and very precise but you have to turn the focusing ring too much for my taste; it's more made for precision than for speed.
Final conclusion: Lens is very good
I think I need to try the second version which is supposed to have better MFD, better resolution and less weight, must be really awesome
Side question: Does anyone know why this lens is called "Telyt" and not "Elmar"?
EDIT: Answer: Every lens Leitz above 200mm focal length is called Telyt, but some with 180mm are called Telyt while others are still called "Elmar" or "Elmarit". Does anyone know if there's are reason for that? _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
(German language)
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Too much CA to be called 'very good' I think. I'd call it good but too much CA for my tastes.
I guess we know now why they also made an Apo-Telyt. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6624 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
CA or no CA, this lens renders tremendous images I'd much rather use this than a boring lens that produces flat, dull images
P.s. OP, your dog is amazingly cute _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
CA or no CA, this lens renders tremendous images I'd much rather use this than a boring lens that produces flat, dull images
P.s. OP, your dog is amazingly cute |
Thx
Today I shot with Nikon 180/2.8 ED again and missed the Telyt a lot, even if the Nikon is slightly sharper much lighter and easier to focus, output of the Leitz would have been often better.
Actually my dog is only adopted and might not stay forever, but until then I have quite cute (but very headstrong ) model ^^
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Too much CA to be called 'very good' I think. I'd call it good but too much CA for my tastes.
I guess we know now why they also made an Apo-Telyt. |
For me it looks quite decent. But I'm only allergic towards blueish CAs at high contrast transitions while other usually don't disturb me very much until reaching (very) high levels. Could you please crop a sample were you can see the most disturbing CAs (on Flickr you can download all my samples in full res via right click) to show exactly what you mean?
And I will have a look if it might be partially caused by PP (I added a little color saturation in Lightroom which should have increased CAs...) and/or can be removed. _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
(German language) |
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KhanX
Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 430 Location: Bangkok, Thailand, München, Göttingen, Germany
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:14 am Post subject: |
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KhanX wrote:
wow, I love this lens and try to find it. Your pictures are stunting. _________________ Camera : Leica M8, Sony Nex5, Sigma SD14, Canon 5D, Olympus E-1, Panasonic DMC L1, Pentax K10D Grand Prix, Nikon D1X, Contax RTS III, Contax 167MT, Exakta RTL1000, Minolta X-700, Canon T90, Canon F-1, Pentacon Six TL
Lens :
Tele : Canon FD 300mm f2.8 s.s.c. fluorite, Mamiya 645 500mm f5.6, Pentacon 500mm f5.6, Sigma APO 300mm f4 macro, Nikkor Reflex C 500mm f8, Canon FD 200mm f2.8 s.s.c., Rubinar 300mm f4.5 mirror
Macro : Vivitar Series 1 90mm f2.8, Vivitar VMC 100mm f2.8 Macro, Panagor PMC 90mm f2.8, Edicar 90mm f2.8 Macro, Nikon Micro 55mm f3.5, Takumar 50mm f4 Macro, Nikon Non AI 55mm f3.5 Micro, SMC Takumar 100mm f4 macro, Canon FD 100mm f4 Macro, Canon FD 200mm f4 Macro, Volna-9 50mm f2.8
Short tele : Pentacon Six 120mm f2.8, Carl Zeiss Contax T* 100mm f2, Meyer optik Trioplan 100MM F2.8, Porst 135mm f1.8, Sigmatel ys 135mm f1.8, Schneider 135mm f3.5, Makinon 135mm f3.5, Komura 135mm f3.5, Hexanon 100mm f2.8, Schneider Variogon 80-240mm 4.5, Schneider 135mm f4
Normal : Canon 50mm f0.95, Schneider 50mm f0.95, Hexanon 57mm f1.2, Hexanon 40mm f1.8, Taylor hobson 50mm f1.8, Cooke Kinetal 50mm f1.8, Canon EF 28mm f2.8, Leica 14-50mm f2.8-3.5 Mega O.I.S., Carl Zeiss Contax Distagon 18mm f4, Carl Zeiss Contax Planar T* 50mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Contax 35mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm f3.5-5.6 Macro, Yashica 35mm f2.8, Helios 44-2/58, Helios 85mm f1.5, Pentax SMC-M 50mm f1.4, Pentax SMC-F 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 50mm f1.7, Minolta MC PF Rokkor 50mm f1.4, Porst 28mm f2.8, Meyer - Optik Lydith 30mm f3.5, Nikon AIS 50mm f1.2, Tamron SP 28mm f2.8 adaptall, Pentax SMC Takumar 85mm f1.8, Vivitar Series 1 55mm f1.2, Canon FD 85mm f1.2L, Canon FD 55mm f1.2L, Angenieux 135mm f3.5, Cooke Kinetal 75mm f2.6, Steinheil 85mm f2.8, Leica M 50mm f2, Zeiss flextogon 35mm f2.4, Pancolar 50mm f1.8, Schneider Xenar 85mm f4
Wide : Leica Elmerit M 28mm f2.8 asph, Zeiss Contax 21mm f2.8, Zeiss Flextogon 20mm f2.8, Exakta 24mm f2.8 macro, Tokina 17mm f4 |
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