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BRunner wrote:
After about one year of usage, I think, I can write short review of this lens.
Some history
This lens was designed by Dr. Walter Mandler at Leitz Canada and released in 1970. It stayed in Leica catalog for 28 years until APO Summicron-R 2/90 was released in 1998. It was developed in era of lower resolution/high contrast lenses. And 40 years later, I must appreciate how well balanced lens Dr. Mandlers team created. After acquisition of this lens, first I was disappointed by lower sharpness at wider apertures, but the more I use it, the more I like it.
Personal experiences
If I should summarize this lens to one word, it would be reliability. Not only because it is build like a Russian tank, but because it's consistent and predictable performance. No matter which aperture you use and lighting conditions, it delivers rich and saturated colors with high contrast and low CA. Even wide-open, where most fast lenses show significant drop in contrast and veil caused by internal flare, this lens retains it's high macro-contrast.
But you should keep in mind some shortcomings too. This lens is definitely not a pixel-peepers wet dream. At f2 smallest details are rendered with fuzziness which improves only slightly at f2.8. At f4 the definition of smallest details improves significantly and at f5.6 it reaches it's best. According Erwin Puts it is optimized more for closer performance but at f8 it is more than usable for landscape shots too.
Unfortunately it suffers from some focus shift - look at the pillow test images bellow.
Shooting against sun causes some unwanted reflections, but internal contrast stays high.
This lens is heavy and most of the weight is located in nose, but on big 5D body balances very well. Nex and other mirrorless cameras users will be probably less happy with this.
All photos was made on 5D mkII hand held (except pillow test images, which was shot on tripod).
Test images @f2, f2.8, f4, f5.6 (full resolution)
   
Some 100% crops at different apertures
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And some example photos
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Thanks for viewing  (BTW. it's my 600 post, let's celebrate!  )
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mo wrote:
Congrats on your 600th post!...I hope you post many more Having not owned a 5DMII or the lens above these look beautiful and sharp.I like the subject matter as well especially the iron work/swords etc.
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Attila wrote:
Hey ! This is something ! Many thanks for review! Congrats!
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stingOM wrote:
Stunning images!!! Thx  |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Amazing lens! But hey, it's a Leica! 
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poilu wrote:
nice reviews & great samples!
only 600 posts, seems you spent more time photographing than browsing the net !
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tobbsman wrote:
wow, that's great ! so many good shots, ... love the B&W portrait most !
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BRunner wrote:
Thanks guys, I have many sharper portrait lenses, but there is something about skin tones and color rendering of this 'cron for me.
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| only 600 posts, seems you spent more time photographing than browsing the net ! |
Well, I still think, that I should spend more time outdoor than on eBay
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Hari wrote:
some gorgeous shots in there!
the 'cron 90 is a fantastic lens even though most ppl prefer the elmarit 90/2.8
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Keysersoze27 wrote:
Superb pics BRunner !!!!
I was about to get the very last version of the lens (just before the APO ) but opted from the Elmarit 2.8/90.
What is the serial number of your lens? ....just the first 4 numbers would be all right !!!
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
What a wonderful set of images!
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rbelyell wrote:
great lens and images. do you have an R film cam as well?
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dude163 wrote:
nice shots!
Ill have to locate me one of these lenses 90/2 yes please!
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BRunner wrote:
Thanks again, I prefer to present my lenses after I became more familiar with them and after I use them in different situations.
| Keysersoze27 wrote: |
...I was about to get the very last version of the lens (just before the APO ) but opted from the Elmarit 2.8/90.
What is the serial number of your lens? ....just the first 4 numbers would be all right !!! |
I own early copy of first version Elmarit-R 2.8/90, it's great lens too. Some samples here. The CA is probably even lower and overall is slightly sharper. Color rendering is probably slightly more neutral and is more prone to loss of contrast in back lighting situations. Summicron has bolder colors. ...and I'm still lurking for reasonably priced Elmarit v2 
My copy of 'cron was made probably in 1978 (sn: 28807xx).
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Unfortunately not, but recently I've got Canon EOS 600 film body and I plan to try my Leicas on it.
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pich900 wrote:
Great review and some beautifull images made with the cron! I have also the cron (probably last version before AA version, SN 360XXXX), I like this lens for the nice tone rendering of the skin, and for portrait sharp enough @ wide open ...
Your great review will probably higher the reputation of the cron 90mm  ......
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Keysersoze27 wrote:
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The CA is probably even lower and overall is slightly sharper. Color rendering is probably slightly more neutral and is more prone to loss of contrast in back lighting situations. Summicron has bolder colors. ...and I'm still lurking for reasonably priced Elmarit v2
My copy of 'cron was made probably in 1978 (sn: 28807xx).
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The v2 Elmarit that I own is sharper than the v1 but v1's bokeh is smoother .
The reason i'm asking you s/n is because there is a possibility(source:l-camera-forum.com) that the cron 90 R got a redesign in the very last E55 batch just before the APO one as I have stated in the "MFL Club" some time ago
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pich900 wrote:
some samples made with mine (last version E55), hope you don't mind Brunner!
wide open:
at minimal distance:
may be f2.8, I don't know for sure!:
and @ f4:
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BRunner wrote:
| Keysersoze27 wrote: |
| The reason i'm asking you s/n is because there is a possibility(source:l-camera-forum.com) that the cron 90 R got a redesign in the very last E55 batch just before the APO one as I have stated in the "MFL Club" some time ago |
Maybe we, Pascal and I, can setup quick f2 comparison of our copies. We just need same subject and comparably lit it. Of course, I have 5DII and Pascal D700. But I think, that if my copy will be slightly sharper after image resize to 12MPx, it means, that no significant changes were made.
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| some samples made with mine (last version E55), hope you don't mind Brunner! |
Of course not. I remember some of these photos from your previous posts. Especially nr. 2 ist just perfect!
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| BRunner wrote: |
| and I'm still lurking for reasonably priced Elmarit v2 . |
Well, keep an eye on the Marketplace section, in the next hours I am about to put for sale a gorgeous condition Elmarit-R 2.8/90 very last version E55 SN: 3344282 !
Today I am about to take it out for some sample photos.
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Keysersoze27 wrote:
| BRunner wrote: |
| Keysersoze27 wrote: |
| The reason i'm asking you s/n is because there is a possibility(source:l-camera-forum.com) that the cron 90 R got a redesign in the very last E55 batch just before the APO one as I have stated in the "MFL Club" some time ago |
Maybe we, Pascal and I, can setup quick f2 comparison of our copies. We just need same subject and comparably lit it. Of course, I have 5DII and Pascal D700. But I think, that if my copy will be slightly sharper after image resize to 12MPx, it means, that no significant changes were made.
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| some samples made with mine (last version E55), hope you don't mind Brunner! |
Of course not. I remember some of these photos from your previous posts. Especially nr. 2 ist just perfect! |
It would be nice to see a direct comparison of the latest Cron and to older , yours and Pascal's.
From what I have read in leica forums the main difference "might" be "v2's" better wide open performance .
It is funny to see how many missing informations are still existing in the old Leica R line of lenses. I'm in a process of collecting information about coating differences of the Leica R line for many months now.
One of them is the 2.8/90 Elmarit R and the use by the very latest German model of IAD (Plasma Ion Assisted Deposition)coating ,since old method was by thermal evaporation.The other one is the 2/50
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pich900 wrote:
| BRunner wrote: |
| Maybe we, Pascal and I, can setup quick f2 comparison of our copies. We just need same subject and comparably lit it. Of course, I have 5DII and Pascal D700. But I think, that if my copy will be slightly sharper after image resize to 12MPx, it means, that no significant changes were made. |
Well, why not but I don't see how we could do that! We should have not only the same subject but also the same light!!!! Anyway, I don't think there is so much difference between our two versions.....
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| pich900 wrote: |
| some samples made with mine (last version E55), hope you don't mind Brunner! |
Of course not. I remember some of these photos from your previous posts. Especially nr. 2 ist just perfect! |
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What is a good price for a Summicron 90mm these days? I can get one in a local store for about 630 USD...and I am quite temped to buy it Is this a bargain? |
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Excellent!!
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trifox
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trifox wrote:
this is absolutely stunning thread.
brunner and pascal - that's a superb pop
how much is the lens
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trifox
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trifox wrote:
this is absolutely stunning thread.
brunner and pascal - that's a superb quality pics
how much is the lens
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