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edri
Joined: 26 Oct 2014 Posts: 315 Location: walking in the air
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:35 pm Post subject: KMZ Industar-61 50mm F2.8 L / Z copy of what Zeiss Tessar? |
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edri wrote:
On ebay often it appears that Industar-61 lens is a copy of Zeiss Tessar lens. But there are several versions of Zeiss Tessar lens. Which of these Zeiss Tessar versions is characterized by the "star bokeh" highlights, characteristic for Industar 61 or Volna 9? |
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2201 Location: Piacenza, Italy
Expire: 2014-05-30
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
AFAIK the industar 61 l/z is a tessar type, but not a clone of any zeiss lens.
Just like a schneider xenar or a voigtlaender skopar, its scheme is derived from the old tessar formula, but no zeiss tessars 2.8/50 - again, as far as I know - have any of the industar's peculiarities (lanthanum glass, close focus).
So I'd say it's not a clone _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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raay04
Joined: 08 Dec 2012 Posts: 340 Location: India
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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raay04 wrote:
Industar 61 optical diagram
Original Zeiss tessar formula --
So i think the previous post is correct. _________________ Cameras-Point and shoot- Powershot A590IS Mirroless-SONY NEX-3
Lenses
M42 Mount
Super-Takumar 55/1.8, Super-Takumar 50/1.4 ,SMC Takumar 50/1.4 ,MC Helios 44M7-58/2,MC Helios 77M-4 50/1.8,Helios 44-2(valdai), Zenitar-M 50/1.7 Pentacon 50/1.8, MC Jupiter-37AM 135/3.5, Industar 50-2 50/3.5
Nikon F mount
Vivitar close focus 28/2.8(Komine) Keleinar 5N 100/2.8
LTM
Jupiter 8 50/2
KIEV
Jupiter8M ( element donor lens )
Minolta SR(MD)
MD 35/1.8, MD 35-70/3.5 macro, MD 50/1.4 ,Vivitar Auto macro 55/2.8,
Canon FD
FDn50/1.4
Minolta AF
Vivitar (cosina) 100/3.5 macro
Minolta AF 35-70/4
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EL NIKKOR 50/2.8
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raay04
Joined: 08 Dec 2012 Posts: 340 Location: India
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: KMZ Industar-61 50mm F2.8 L / Z copy of what Zeiss Tessa |
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raay04 wrote:
edri wrote: |
On ebay often it appears that Industar-61 lens is a copy of Zeiss Tessar lens. But there are several versions of Zeiss Tessar lens. Which of these Zeiss Tessar versions is characterized by the "star bokeh" highlights, characteristic for Industar 61 or Volna 9? |
The star bokeh is due to star shaped aperture when stopped down. _________________ Cameras-Point and shoot- Powershot A590IS Mirroless-SONY NEX-3
Lenses
M42 Mount
Super-Takumar 55/1.8, Super-Takumar 50/1.4 ,SMC Takumar 50/1.4 ,MC Helios 44M7-58/2,MC Helios 77M-4 50/1.8,Helios 44-2(valdai), Zenitar-M 50/1.7 Pentacon 50/1.8, MC Jupiter-37AM 135/3.5, Industar 50-2 50/3.5
Nikon F mount
Vivitar close focus 28/2.8(Komine) Keleinar 5N 100/2.8
LTM
Jupiter 8 50/2
KIEV
Jupiter8M ( element donor lens )
Minolta SR(MD)
MD 35/1.8, MD 35-70/3.5 macro, MD 50/1.4 ,Vivitar Auto macro 55/2.8,
Canon FD
FDn50/1.4
Minolta AF
Vivitar (cosina) 100/3.5 macro
Minolta AF 35-70/4
Enlarger
EL NIKKOR 50/2.8
Adaptall
Tamron 24/2.5 , Tamron sp 90/2.5 |
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edri
Joined: 26 Oct 2014 Posts: 315 Location: walking in the air
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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edri wrote:
Thank you for the clarification. |
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Paulius
Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Posts: 321 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Paulius wrote:
It has been my only lens for many years on Zenit E back in mid 70-s when I started SLR photography. Officially fixed price was 40 rubles, but in order to get it, you have to overpay for "connection". So, I spend 80 rubles, my one month salary in that time. |
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2201 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
Paulius wrote: |
It has been my only lens for many years on Zenit E back in mid 70-s when I started SLR photography. Officially fixed price was 40 rubles, but in order to get it, you have to overpay for "connection". So, I spend 80 rubles, my one month salary in that time. |
I bought a used one in Sankt Peterburg a couple of months ago (I paid something more than 2000 rubles IIRC) and I am extremely pleased with it.
It's very usable at all apertures, well built, compact enough, and the close focus capabilities make it extremely flexible. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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edri
Joined: 26 Oct 2014 Posts: 315 Location: walking in the air
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:38 am Post subject: |
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edri wrote:
I finally ordered a Tessar lens, especially for the possibility that under certain conditions to obtain a bokeh "bubble soap" type. Is it wise to spend money on a Industar too? |
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6006 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:57 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
edri wrote: |
I finally ordered a Tessar lens, especially for the possibility that under certain conditions to obtain a bokeh "bubble soap" type. Is it wise to spend money on a Industar too? |
Try the Tessar first.
It is a matter of getting the technique right and having the out of focus highlights at the correct distance from the subject relative to the focusing distance. There are plenty of Industar 61's around and they are always very inexpensive so it is not like the supply will dry up while you are getting the hang of the Tessar.
Personally, I don't think that the Industar will do anything that can't be wrung out of the Tessar with practice.
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Humulus
Joined: 23 Sep 2014 Posts: 130 Location: Poland
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:05 am Post subject: |
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Humulus wrote:
The "bubbliest" Industar lens I have is the Industar 24M and even though the Industars 50-2 and 61 are sharp and all, I don't find them half as good as my alu Tessar and Trioplan ones. |
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edri
Joined: 26 Oct 2014 Posts: 315 Location: walking in the air
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:09 am Post subject: |
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edri wrote:
Thanks. I thought so. Although initially I was just plan to buy the Industar 61 after some talks from another topic I switched to Tessar.
My problem is that I think I already have too many lenses around 50mm focal length.
Tessar (I have not yet it but it's on the way) + known Helios 44-2 + 3 lenses on Pentax K mount, my usual DSLR system. Each of these lenses has some specific, each offering me something that no other offers. Therefore I wanted to know if the Industar offers something special compared to other around 50mm focal lenses.
I did not intend to become a collector lenses, I want to be a user of the lenses;)
This is my future Tessar, serial 4183914 (seller picture). I would like to buy a front cap (I noticed that my m42 lenses original caps are not too firm) and a filter adapter ring. Does anyone know how is the thread filter for this lens?
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