Just bought a DP1

ludoo · Expire: 2011-12-05

Orio, you are comparing a tiny, pocketable camera with the two best digital cameras available on the market. As Scheimpflug says, that's exactly the point: a compact (with all its limitations) with a great sensor and a great lens.

Regarding cost, the D1 cost me 150�, that's a full camera with lens, battery, etc. The D2 little more than 200�. If I had the money for an M9 and one good lens, I'd probably get it as for me it's the best camera on the market. But I would probably still feel the need for something smaller, with good IQ.

I really don't understand why manufacturers have forgotten the rangefinder focusing mechanism: a cheap rf like those mounted on hundreds of cameras from the 50s to the 70s (not Leica, not Zeiss) costs very little to manufacture and matches the best AF mechanisms in speed and precision. An RF on a DP2 would probably cure 3/4 of the problems users have with the camera: no slow AF, no noisy retractable lens, no need for an expensive additional vf, etc.

LucisPictor · Expire: 2013-12-03

Just imagine the DP2 tech inside a Yashica Electro 35GS. And that for about �500,-.
I would instantly buy one! And I am sure many people would!

I can understand the positions here. And although many people think that Foveon has the lead in colours, I rather think it's an overall impression.
Colours are far too much influenced by post processing.

But Foveon shots are IMHO closer to film results than CCD shots. Something that it not easy to describe (Why do we still like film?). And that's the main argument for Foveon (at least for me).

But it might be that camera philosophy has more influence on that effect than sensor technology. I don't know. Why I think so? My Leica Digilux 2 resembles results on film more than any other digital cam I have - and the D2 uses a CCD.

Ah, and yes: Foveon shooters are cool! Wink

In the same way like Leica M shooters are cool or rangefinder shooters are cool. They are not mainstream. Wink

Xpres · Expire: 2014-10-28

I use my DP1 now and again and am, I suppose, a bit of a Foveon fan, but like anything one uses the tool to suit the occasion. Great in some circumstances - not so great in others.
I often find it useful for keeping a digital notebook of film shoots in the landscape.

*that's my Rolleicord under the hat!

Orio · Expire: 2012-12-04

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Jesito · Expire: 2015-01-07

Oh God!... I hate religious wars.

I love foveon cameras even they are crap. I don't care if the sensor element is made of 9 or 35 silicon transistors or if the microlenses on top of the sensor distort the result. From a practical point of view, I can say that my best shots in my whole life have been taken with Foveon cameras. Currently I own a SD9 and a DP1s (that comes always with me). I got also a Powershot A495 because the 1cm close focusing distance, (the DP1s doesn't close focus at all). The pictures taken by both are abysmally different in quality. I had also a SD10 and a SD14 in the past, and I regret to have sold the SD14 (the SD10 is quite similar to the SD9, a little more comfortable and with better ISO response). So I don't discard to have a SD14 again in the near future, be it crappy or not. Just because the quality of the pictures I was able to take with it.

Hopefully nowadays selecting a camera is not like in the past, where one had to look at specifications and once the camera was in house it was for many years. Most of the camera sellers do allow for a one or two week trial where you can return the camera if you aren't satisfied. (Like the FNAC retail stores).

Next to the Foveon ones I rate the Pentax, (I keep as if it was mede of gold) my *istDS. Even if the colour is not as good as with the SIGMA, It's the one that allow me to focus with MFlenses with the higuest precission.

So I'm happy with the crappy Wink

(and with the not so crappy)

P.S. Anu, I love your squirrel shots and I don't care if they are taken with a pinhole or with a 5DIX. Wink

What matters is the picture

Regards.

Jes.

Orio · Expire: 2012-12-04

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ludoo · Expire: 2011-12-05

Yes, all the DPx can save in raw, and sigma photo pro is pretty nice, especially the fill light option.

Orio · Expire: 2012-12-04

Can I open those RAWs in Lightroom or in Capture One Pro?

ludoo · Expire: 2011-12-05

Yes Orio you can, though people say that the best results in terms of colour are achieved with the free Sigma Photo Pro, or Silkypix.

Meanwhile, I picked up the DP2 last night outside the Montparnasse train station, and I am surprised at how tiny it is. With the new firmware autofocus is pretty snappy, I will try to use it today even though I still have quite a few shots in the roll loaded in my Olympus.

Orio · Expire: 2012-12-04

Looking forward to the photos, Ludo. I always love to see photos of Paris.

ludoo · Expire: 2011-12-05

I'm shooting very little: weather is awful, and I'm saving the few energies I have left (still have a flu from last week) for my family. Smile

But the camera feels very very nice, if it had an optical or electronic viewfinder it would be really exceptional.

LucisPictor · Expire: 2013-12-03

I had a strange dream last night. I woke up (in my dream) and found that I sold the SD10 without knowing why. Then I really woke up and was completely puzzled for two or three seconds if I still have the camera or not. Shocked

What does that mean?

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ludoo · Expire: 2011-12-05

This is where I'm at

news crews reporting from Paris CDG, with about 15cm of snow on the ground, half today's flights cancelled and the other half on standby. And we're stuck here.

Orio · Expire: 2012-12-04