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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:12 pm Post subject: Jupiter 9 |
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etorix wrote:
im thinking of going after a Jupiter 9 .. 85mm f2 .. most likely in M42 for simplicity of adapterising
is there, or are there, any particular differences to watch out for? is it worth chasing?
or should i just follow my nose, as per usual ..
i was just outbid on 2 Triotars, one with a red 'T'
i didnt struggle much tbh, the red 'T' immediately jumped to higher than i wanted to [or could] pay, the other much cheaper, i was sniped in the final 17 seconds
which i totally allowed, i have 135 already
i do alreadyown and have some experience with a Triotar, but its got a bit of damage to the front plus its on a Rolleicord, so its not really currently useable much
whereas the Jupiter 9 is a Sonnar [effectively] and i never had one back in the day |
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2201 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
It's a lovely lens. I had some in m42 from different years, and all were good.
Many report great copy variation between samples, but I must say that all my m42 ones behaved pretty much the same: a bit glowy wide open, and much sharper from f2.8, with lovely sonnar bokeh and pleasant color.
I also had a couple copies in contax rangefinder mount, both from the '60's, and they were slightly different: definitely sharper wide open, but with similar character. I ended up keeping one of those and selling the others.
For me, definitely worth chasing, even because you can still find some for reasonable prices (even if it looks like they're going up recently).
Nothing to say about triotars, I never had one. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
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I also had a couple copies in contax rangefinder mount, both from the '60's, and they were slightly different: definitely sharper wide open, but with similar character. I ended up keeping one of those and selling the others. |
thats interesting and useful, cheers, the contax RF versions i can see do seem more spendy, hmm
they are also in Russia [or so] whereas i can see several M42 versions in UK |
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Aanything
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
Keep in mind that rf versions can only be adapted to mirrorless cameras (sony nex and derivates, m4/3, fuji-X, eos M), while m42 can be used basically on any dslr. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
this site has examples of a few varieties, mostly early or prototypes http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?-1898658725
there are even brand-new ones about, allegedly, tho unless NOS i think i might give them a miss
some earlier ones may have been just assembled, with real German glass even
probably hard to distinguish at this distance without familiarity |
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trev
Joined: 30 Jun 2010 Posts: 580 Location: North Wales - UK
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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trev wrote:
A screw adapter IS available that turns M39 into M42 _________________ Fuji X10, X-A1 and Samsung nx 20 |
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2201 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
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A screw adapter IS available that turns M39 into M42 |
Right. This m39 (for early Russian slr's) must not be confuse di with the "leica screw" which has same diameter and thread, but different (much shorter) register distance. This means that while you may be able to phisically mount a rangefinder screw mount lens on a dslr body, you will be able to focus just some mm's away from the lens, just like the lens was attached to a long extension tube. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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etorix
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
couple of disassembly sites, one a downloadable pdf even
i'd be intending to use this lens on a Panasonic Lunix G1
aha .. and both of the versions i'm actually watching are black, M42 and in the UK
so far so good imho |
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2201 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
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couple of disassembly sites, one a downloadable pdf even
i'd be intending to use this lens on a Panasonic Lunix G1
aha .. and both of the versions i'm actually watching are black, M42 and in the UK
so far so good imho |
Thank you very much for the service manuals, they can be very useful.
And good luck with your hunt! _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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etorix
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
Aanything wrote: |
etorix wrote: |
couple of disassembly sites, one a downloadable pdf even
i'd be intending to use this lens on a Panasonic Lunix G1
aha .. and both of the versions i'm actually watching are black, M42 and in the UK
so far so good imho |
Thank you very much for the service manuals, they can be very useful.
And good luck with your hunt! |
the first URL in that list seems mangled by copying, i think you can navigate to the right bit tho
they all make it seem a relatively simple lens to dis-assemble for inner cleaning tho eh |
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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
hmm .. i can see a modern-looking one thats 'Automat lens fit Kiev-10, Kiev-15' http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jupiter-9-2-85mm-Automat-lens-fit-Kiev-10-Kiev-15-Camera-/301344380612?_trksid=p2054897.l4275
but its very different looking .. ok its not too dear but its in Russia, and Kiev-XX bayonet
actually, so far the older ones seem dearer in EastBloc
might be best sticking to M42 and in-UK
no rush |
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BurstMox
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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Don't buy Kiev-15 lenses, there is no adapter, and it's quite hard to adapt DIY because the camera is controling the diaphragm. Will be a lot of job for few bucks saved. _________________ Pierre
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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
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Don't buy Kiev-15 lenses, there is no adapter, and it's quite hard to adapt DIY because the camera is controling the diaphragm. Will be a lot of job for few bucks saved. |
Eyup, British ima buying, most like, cheers, faster delivery for one thing
i also prefer the older looking things, all-metal
with a great big hole down the middle |
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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:55 am Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
hmm .. it was while i was chasing the 135mm Carl Zeiss Triotar that i got sidetracked and fascinated by the Jupiter-9
now tho, researching/reading on the Jupiter-9, my eye's bin caught by the Triotar 85mm f4
i was never a fan of 135mm lenses anyway really, but i did use an 85mm f1.4 every day
the Triotar 85mm f4 must share some characteristics with its longer, more unwieldy 135mm sibling
its going on my list
for later tho, faster first i think |
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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
hm, i'm bidding on a almost-mint example, in the UK
i'm almost suspicious of its non-used condition, is it because its duff
or was bought back in the day, and stashed away, just
a lens with usermarks has had lots of use, so someone liked using it
and continued to |
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2201 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
etorix wrote: |
hm, i'm bidding on a almost-mint example, in the UK
i'm almost suspicious of its non-used condition, is it because its duff
or was bought back in the day, and stashed away, just
a lens with usermarks has had lots of use, so someone liked using it
and continued to |
I usually tend to buy battered lenses, but the main reason is that they're cheaper.
I found some lemons among mint looking ones, too, but I wouldn't make a rule out of it. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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Rick1779
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:05 am Post subject: |
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Rick1779 wrote:
Aanything wrote: |
etorix wrote: |
hm, i'm bidding on a almost-mint example, in the UK
i'm almost suspicious of its non-used condition, is it because its duff
or was bought back in the day, and stashed away, just
a lens with usermarks has had lots of use, so someone liked using it
and continued to |
I usually tend to buy battered lenses, but the main reason is that they're cheaper.
I found some lemons among mint looking ones, too, but I wouldn't make a rule out of it. |
+1
I've bought my J-9 (1968 in ltm) at a fairly low price (80€ or less if I remember correctly), cosmetically not in best shape, front and rear lenses with some major cleaning marks, still it can deliver some beautiful images.
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aoleg
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:38 am Post subject: |
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aoleg wrote:
etorix wrote: |
a lens with usermarks has had lots of use, so someone liked using it
and continued to |
It's mostly a myth. I have/had plenty of samples, and discovered no meaningful corellation between the quality of each sample and the amount of usage traces.
With Jupiter-9, the older the lens, the better are the chances to get a good sample. (Naturally, older samples tend to show more wear. That's because they enjoyed a longer life, and not because they were chosen over inferior samples.) My best Jupiter-9 was made in 1959. I used good samples made in the 60's and 70's. 80's can be more of a hit-or-miss, but many good samples still exist (my 1981 copy is good). If the lens was made in the 90's, your chances of ever seeing a good copy are pretty slim. J9 was manufactured until early 2000's. My 2001 sample (MC version) is glowing soft wide open, but sharpens quickly stopped down. _________________ List of lenses |
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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 12:29 am Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
meh, outbid at 72 gbp with a day to go --im out i reckon
someone really wants this copy and they are welcome to it, imho
seller he say
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The serial number is 7602502. Twelve of the aperture blades have oil on them between a third to half way up the blades |
not for me, this week -- also theres others up at fairly reasonable 'buy it now'
in other news, whilst chasing Tair-11A info i came across the Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 2/58
smaller in size, and still f2 wide open, prolly spendier to get a good condition T* copy
kinda interesting ... wonder which way it focusses [heh] |
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Attila
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 1:23 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I have/had all variants from this lens include an early prototype M42 lens. They have little differences mainly wide open sharpness , RF lenses are sharper wide open than SLR lenses , they are wasn't ever respected lenses high value items, so easy to find one improperly fixed, tampered but... I had /have at least 10 different copies all did work well, no issues. In quality bright light all perform very well, low quality light is different, most lenses are not perform well except best Zeiss and Leica lenses. _________________ -------------------------------
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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 1:47 am Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
Attila .. you are referring to the Biotar 2/58 i assume
one i am watching has quite dull [non-shiny] aluminium body, but it has the IQ symbol, and no T* |
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peterqd
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 2:40 am Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
etorix wrote: |
meh, outbid at 72 gbp with a day to go --im out i reckon
someone really wants this copy and they are welcome to it, imho
seller he say
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The serial number is 7602502. Twelve of the aperture blades have oil on them between a third to half way up the blades |
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If this refers to an M42 J9, then oil on the blades is normal and not a problem at all. The lens is a preset type, which means the aperture
blades are adjusted manually, not by the camera. Oil on the blades becomes a problem only on "Auto" type M42 lenses where the
aperture is closed by the camera. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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etorix
Joined: 05 Oct 2014 Posts: 209 Location: London, England
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 3:27 am Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
well, oil on the blades is only a minor concern here, good info tho, cheers
this particular copy looks mint
so its likely to go for more than i can currently pay, judging by the interest i've seen so far
i'm not in a great rush, tbh
this researching on good fast old lenses i find kinda fun, i keep getting sidetracked interestingly
its also not lost on me that i keep winding up back on here thru searches
this place is a goldmine of info
thru here ive just dated my favorite ol' 5x4 lens, my voigtlander technika-heliar 1:4.5 21cm [to 1963 -ish .. i thought it was older] and found a possible replacement working shutter for it [on a 210mm f4.5 Schneider Xenar]
i cant find my singer-made 6x9 rollfilm back, but i cant really do film rightnow anyway,
my 5x4 is a linhofcolor which only has limited movement
actually ideal for a digital-camera-adapter back in some ways |
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etorix
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:18 am Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
heh, well so far this week i'm not buying that minty Jupiter-9
and now i'm not buying a fairly tatty Biotar with the IQ symbol and no T*
mostly because i put a bid in on a Xenar in a shutter that i need, a Compound #3
and so far affordable, ok its in the US but thats not a huge issue
i actually dont strictly need an 85mm and a 58mm but both would be interesting, im very taken with the Biotar
what i do need after this little Xenar plot plays out is to get a focussing-helicoid-mount for the Nikon Rangefinder 50mm 1.4 ive had awhile now
and which i've been warfling about for months
the choice was between the Amedeo which is LTM so i could use it on Pana G1 AND Canon but needs additional adapters, kinda messy
or the mflenses one which is M43 only ..
and thats the way ima go, actually, it gives me a small, lightweight, fast 50mm 1.4, altho only for the Panasonic G1
hm, no, for only Micro 4/3rds, heh
i like my G1, it ljust acks video-capture capability
i pretty much bought the camera specifically for this lens, which i think i got a reasonable deal on
hope its a good'un
it does look kinda good http://i.imgur.com/FcrVB34.jpg?1
time i found out tho |
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etorix
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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etorix wrote:
cool, my adapter for Nkon RF to M43 should be with me in under a week, its bin fabricated
i cant be spending out on Biotars and Jupiter9s yet, still got my eye on some examples tho
but not till i see for myself how my NikkorS-C 5cm 1.4 performs
and whether its still a viable everyday-working lens
ive owned [and used] VietnamWar era Nikkors - bulletproof - literally
this is from the KoreanWar times
i hope it likes me, and being used again
the 'EasyFoto 43mm' lenshood allegedly has the correct weird thread-fitting, got one on the way also
with the M43 adaptor i can use P-L rear cap, so no need for the incredibly pricy original lenscaps .. |
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