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Laurence
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 Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:49 am Post subject: Jupiter 9 Bokeh Examples |
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Laurence wrote:
Well, I finally got a chance to squirrel around my home area with my Jupiter 9. It's almost embarrassing to have had this lens nearly a month, and not use it much. I'll make up for it though. And, my excuse is that I have run 6 rolls of film with the Takumar 135/3.5 pre-set lens.
So anyway, here is a variety of wide-open, or nearly wide-open J9 images. As always, these are for testing rather than for some kind of artistic or esthetic value! 
Jupiter-9 85/2 on Revuenon 3003
Old paint mixer abandoned in junk pile. Good bokeh test for the verticals in the background. HP5 in Rodinol.
Paint mixer - shows the critically thin depth of field. HP5 in Rodinol.
Rose Hips. Fuji Sensia
Willow Trees. Decent bokeh, not spectacular, but workable. Fuji Sensia
Sword Ferns against creek. This test shot gives me a good idea that I should use f:4 or so next time, to get the entire row of ferns in focus, but still have the background soft. Fuji Sensia
Bog grasses and hypercelium against pond. This bokeh was very satisfying to me. I like the very sharp in-focus area at middle bottom of image.
So overall, I am pleased. Bokeh averages as workable, but I can certainly see that, for portraits, the depth of field is quite critical with this lens.
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iha
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iha wrote:
Yeah, I think these shots are beautiful!
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Richard_D
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Richard_D wrote:
Very nice shots - f4 seems a good compromise on these short teles.
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Orio wrote:
Great pictures Laurence!
It is very useful to me that you indicate the film and chemicals. I can learn about their combined looks this way.
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Jesito wrote:
Great shots!. I'm just trying mine, no results yet.
Best regards,
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peterqd wrote:
Very nice indeed Laurence. I'm in need of a prime lens in the 85-100 range but I've been doubtful about the J-9 in the past because the out-of-focus areas in some of the pictures I've seen have been distracting. I think the OOF areas in your shots are beautiful and you've made up my mind!  |
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poilu
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Very nice Laurence
I just get mine
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Flor27
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Flor27 wrote:
front & back OOF with my Jupiter-9 LZOS made :
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patrickh wrote:
Laurence
great examples - you do nothing to help the self-control of those of us who do not have this fine lens.
(Florent - cute and you too))
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Laurence
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Wow, thanks all of you! I didn't put these up for a beauty contest, but I'll take any positives I can get!
Allow me to discuss on a few comments here, since this is a forum where exchange of information from each other is one of the reasons we come on here:
Richard wote: Very nice shots - f4 seems a good compromise on these short teles.
Good point on the f:stop, Richard. In the dark image of the ferns, I think that f4 would give just about a foot or so of depth of field, and I'll try that next time, since this group of ferns is near my home. It will be interesting to see what f4 does to the out of focus areas, and I'll show a comparison so that we can learn more about characteristics and distances.
Orio wrote: It is very useful to me that you indicate the film and chemicals. I can learn about their combined looks this way.
Orio, Rodinal 6 minutes, ratio of 1 to 25 at 68 degrees F (20C). Someone told me that it would be too grainy, but it seems just fine to me. I gently agitated and knocked out bubbles each minute. This was the Ilford recommendation, I think.
Peter wrote: because the out-of-focus areas in some of the pictures I've seen have been distracting.
Peter, I think that overall, at least in this particular group of tests, that the bokeh isn't too bad at all. It is a bit distracting in the willows image until it fades off to about 5 feet away. It seems extremely good in the last image of the bog grass. The water surface there was about 5 to 10 feet distant.
Florent wrote: front & back OOF with my Jupiter-9 LZOS made
Florent: VERY nice! Seems smoother somehow than my images; however, I suppose it depends on the subject and the elements in the OOF areas? Florent, what does LZOS mean?
What I am seeing so far:
1. Very critical depth of field
2. Sharpness at in-focus areas better than I thought (image of bog grasses with very sharp in-focus at bottom)
3. Bokeh of distant verticals moderately pleasing (first shot with distant trees).
4. Bokeh of smooth water background with cloud reflections very pleasing.
5. Color rendition with Fuji Sensia warm and accurate. I don't feel over saturation.
6. Rodinal with HP5 at recommended process has slight warm cast, does not seem overly grainy. Perhaps a little bit harsh on the second image.
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CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
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Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Very nice shoot, this picture has great atmosphere.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Larry, all of these are nice shots, but the sword fern is my fave! Did
you do your own scans on the Epson 2450?
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Flor27
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Flor27 wrote:
LZOS is one of the many factories in USSR that made the Jupiter-9.
Most of each factories has his own logo :
http://cameras.alfredklomp.com/logos/
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Bob wrote:
Great photos. 
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Laurence
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Laurence wrote:
Attila wrote: Very nice shoot, this picture has great atmosphere.
I certainly agree! Steve, the image is smooth and beautiful with outstanding out of focus areas.
Bill wrote: Larry, all of these are nice shots, but the sword fern is my fave! Did you do your own scans on the Epson 2450?
Bill, I did use the Epson 2450; however, I do have access to a Nikon proprietary scanner, just haven't set it up yet with the SCSI card. On the Epson, I went to full auto mode at 2400dpi with sharpening turned off, then Unsharp Mask in Photoshop at 150/1.5/0, then sized the image down for the web, and that was it. I am going to try again with SilverFast and the "match" to Fuji film, and see what happens. Do you want me to post the results for comparisons, if that will help you?
Florent wrote: LZOS is one of the many factories in USSR that made the Jupiter-9
Thanks, Florent!
Bob wrote: Great photos.
Thank you too, Bob. These weren't meant to be esthetic images, but as I said before, I'll take the praise!
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Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Katastrofo
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:46 am Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
Yes, Larry, please post comparative results, most interested! I have
to get my Pentax Spotmatic SP fixed up so I can use some of these
M42 lenses for film!
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Laurence
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:24 am Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
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Yes, Larry, please post comparative results, most interested! I have
to get my Pentax Spotmatic SP fixed up so I can use some of these
M42 lenses for film!
Bill |
Yes, you should! I guess I'm preaching to the choir, but you know how fun it is to use film! When the scanner is tuned in, the film can be really manipulated if it's a "bad" shot that needs work. I would look forward to some film scans from you.
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Puplet wrote:
One of my most recent J9 pics:
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Orio wrote:
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One of my most recent J9 pics:
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Ooooohh I want your cat!!!! 
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hacksawbob wrote:
wide open oof highlights can become "busy" but still unique character and not all together unapealing (about 8 foot between subject and background)
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1054/965886635_bfebd2757a_b.jpg
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Laurence
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Laurence wrote:
Puplet, that is an extraordinary shot! The patterns on the cat's fur seems to match up nicely with the background. Well balanced, and beautiful exposure indeed. Nice work.
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Laurence
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:06 am Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Hacksaw, that is one fine example for the background highlights. I am glad you indicated the distance, as that is how I learn yet another little fact about the lens.
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Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Attila wrote:
Oh, those superb cat shoots! Amazing!
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