View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6627 Location: San Francisco, USA
Expire: 2018-01-18
|
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:55 am Post subject: Industar-69 28/2.8 on APS-C |
|
|
luisalegria wrote:
Ok, since I have a couple of Sony NEX, and I am also very cheap, I had to try the famous Industar-69
I got one from the Ukraine, cheap, about $20.
DSC00988 by luisalegria, on Flickr
DSC00993 by luisalegria, on Flickr
These are the famous M39 mount lenses taken from the Chaika viewfinder half-frame camera, of which millions must have been made. They just screw off the Chaika body it seems. They are M39 with no rangefinder linkage, and a simple screw (not a helical) is used to focus them. The back-focus is a bit less than Leica-M39 by a bit over a millimeter. They go on an M39-whatever adapter just fine.
So adjustments have to be made! Focus obstructions must be removed to permit screwing the optical block just a bit deeper. There are any number of Youtube videos on this, and a couple of different variants of this lens, but on mine I removed both internal stop screws and ground down the internal "lip" with my faithful Dremel. A bit too much, as now it goes beyond infinity. Still, it doesn't matter. Since the whole optical block comes off it is very easy to clean and regrease the screw, which is a good thing as it improves the feel a lot.
What is left is an extremely compact lens, that can focus from infinity to, well, very close indeed. You know the limits of close focus when the optical block comes off. I can get down to about 4 inches, subject to sensor, which is pretty good as 28mm's go.
The (mechanical) problems with this thing.
- The aperture control is this fingernail-ring around the front element. It is not too handy, to say the least.
- Changing the aperture limits (well, throwing them away) throws off the relationship between aperture markings and the aperture ring. So one must guess aperture values.
- Aperture is, of course, clickless. This thing is as simple as can be.
- It can't really take filters, as the filter thread is a weird 22mm/22.5mm thread hard up by the aperture ring. Its not that somme sort of adapter can't be rigged, its just that if you do it would have to come off in order to shift the aperture.
- The front element is quite deep-set, but in spite of that one may want to put on a hood (see below). No can do.
Now one is set to go really old-school with that little compact camera.
Performance is, well, weird.
- It covers APS-C, with a great deal of vignetting and light falloff when wide open. It gets much better stopped down. As a 28mm it covers a 42mm equivalent on APS-C, so it should be decent enough as a general purpose lens.
- It flares like crazy. Anything bright floods anything nearby. Shooting against the light is difficult, to say the least. And my copy is quite clean internally, as best i can tell.
- Colors are off. They seem washed out, generally, and quite "flat". On the whole it seems like a very old fashioned lens meant for B&W.
- Its quite sharp, even wide open in the center.
Besides this all, there is a certain odd something about this. I was turning on the Nex 7 High Contrast B&W mode or "Rich Tone" B&W, which is a kind of mono HDR, and leaving that on. The effect is retro, like shooting Plus-X or something. Except more weird. The similarly cheap Chinese CCTV "Fujian" 25mm 1.8 is by comparison a great deal more conventional in every way. But that may be too normal.
Anyway, samples.
DSC08990 by luisalegria, on Flickr
DSC08962 by luisalegria, on Flickr
DSC08780 by luisalegria, on Flickr
DSC08759 by luisalegria, on Flickr
DSC08936 by luisalegria, on Flickr
DSC08600 by luisalegria, on Flickr
DSC08739 by luisalegria, on Flickr
DSC08689 by luisalegria, on Flickr
DSC08876 by luisalegria, on Flickr
DSC08655x by luisalegria, on Flickr
DSC09017 by luisalegria, on Flickr
DSC09008 by luisalegria, on Flickr
DSC08882 by luisalegria, on Flickr
DSC08630 by luisalegria, on Flickr _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
SkedAddled
Joined: 19 Oct 2008 Posts: 1427 Location: Michigan, USA
Expire: 2021-08-12
|
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:01 am Post subject: |
|
|
SkedAddled wrote:
Luis, I am glad to see you here, as I was wondering if you'd left us!
I love your reports on such lenses as you find and use them, and I love your pictures.
I may have to PM you about lens origins, as you know so much
about serial numbers. _________________ Craig
Of course I'm all right! Why? What have you heard!?
Canon Digital EOS 5D Mk IV, EOS 50D, Powershot S3 iS
Vivitar 28 f/2.8 OM - Zuiko 50 f/1.8 OM - Tamron SP 28-80 f/3.5 AD2[Favorite!] - Hanimar 135 f/3.5 M42 - Soligor 135 f/2.8 T4 - Tamron SP 60-300 f/3.8 AD2 - Soligor 75-260 f/4.5 M42 - Soligor 400 f/6.3 T4 - Soligor 500 f/8 T2 Cat + Matched 2X TC - Addiction Growing!
This is us -- We drive these -- We're named these |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
|
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:48 am Post subject: |
|
|
Lightshow wrote:
I found my I69 to be very sharp in the center on my NEX-7, but it also had heavy colour shift, so I only used it for B&W and higher ISO to get it more film like, and resolution drops quickly as you get away from the center.
I wanted another compact 28, but hopefully much better, and thought I'd try the Canon S 28/2.8, it has a good reputation from the film days, and my Canon S 35/2.8 is very good on my NEX-7(and now A7r), so I gave it a chance, sadly it vignettes heavily I'll have to try it on a BSI sensor to see how much it improves.
Back to the I69, it's a fun lens when you want to go small, which is its main feature, that it's so inexpensive is a bonus. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lightshow-photography/ |
|
Back to top |
|
|
kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16544 Location: Weinheim, Germany
Expire: 2021-03-09
|
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:02 am Post subject: |
|
|
kds315* wrote:
wonderful Luis!! _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
dr.volkan
Joined: 14 Nov 2008 Posts: 436 Location: Turkey_istanbul
|
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:15 am Post subject: |
|
|
dr.volkan wrote:
Very good work...
Thank you for the information about lens |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
|
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:45 am Post subject: |
|
|
Lightshow wrote:
I should add, nice pictures! They're best I've seen from this lens.
I'll also think that there seems to be more than 1 version of the lens, they seem to need slightly different modifications to reach infinity on a LTM adapter. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lightshow-photography/
Last edited by Lightshow on Sun May 13, 2018 12:23 pm; edited 2 times in total |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Sjak
Joined: 29 Sep 2017 Posts: 696
|
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:43 am Post subject: |
|
|
Sjak wrote:
It's a fun lens! And you make good use of it
Of course, people who take pictures wide open of brick walls and then look at every pixel at 200% will never understand its charm.
The lens has boatloads of character, which can be used to your advantage. Although I admit that sometimes it is simply does not suit the look I am aiming for, this is certainly one lens that I will always keep in my collection. A classic. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
sergtum
Joined: 14 Nov 2016 Posts: 735
|
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
sergtum wrote:
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 10541 Location: California
Expire: 2025-04-11
|
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
visualopsins wrote:
Wow Luis these are really good photos, quite different from your usual, which are also excellent! _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
kypfer
Joined: 27 Sep 2017 Posts: 516 Location: Jersey C.I.
|
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
kypfer wrote:
I found this thread after I'd modded my Industar 69, removing the focus stop screws and the "step" with a Dremel as above. One thing I did find, however, is that the focus thread isn't a "normal" screw, but has two starting points, and by choosing the appropriate one the focus scale lines up almost exactly after modification ... certainly as close as one needs to be with a 28mm lens and an EVF.
Just thought I'd mention it in case anyone finds it useful |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3669 Location: Calgary
|
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:57 am Post subject: |
|
|
Lightshow wrote:
The focus ring can be infinity adjusted by loosening the set screws.
Many manual focus lens helicoids have more than one start, adding an extra start will have the optics move at a faster rate for the same amount of rotation. You should see higher start counts in longer focal lengths and single starts in UWA lenses. _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lightshow-photography/ |
|
Back to top |
|
|
noddywithoutbigears
Joined: 13 Jan 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Leek, Staffordshire
|
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
noddywithoutbigears wrote:
Love it, it certainly has that vintage charm, very 50’s magazine look. Not a great lover of pin sharp, perfect lighting, technically correct pictures so these are right up my street. _________________ Sony A7
Super Takumar 55mm F18, Helios 44-2 58mm f2, Super Takumar 85mm f1.9, Pentacon 50mm f1.8, Zenitar 16mm f2.8 Fisheye, Carl Zeiss Vario Prakticar 35-70mm f2.7-3.5. Carl Zeiss Prakticar 35mm f2.4 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Anthracite
Joined: 19 Mar 2018 Posts: 22
|
Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: Industar-69 28/2.8 on APS-C |
|
|
Anthracite wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
- Changing the aperture limits (well, throwing them away) throws off the relationship between aperture markings and the aperture ring. So one must guess aperture values.
|
Very easy solution to fix this:
Use a permanent pen and make a little dot on the aperture ring where the aperture is now. This position can be found easily when completely opening the aperture to f/2.8.
Quote: |
- It can't really take filters, as the filter thread is a weird 22mm/22.5mm thread
|
It's 22.5mm.
Lightshow wrote: |
I found my I69 to be very sharp in the center on my NEX-7, but it also had heavy colour shift |
I didn't notice any color shift on a Fuji X-T100.
The Fujinon 27/2,8 has better image quality.
The Industar-69 is more stylish.
The Industar is even smaller.
In the center both are very sharp, on all apertures.
The Industar has to be stopped down to (around) f/11 for sharp edges.
For infrared photography only the Industar is usable. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
philslizzy
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 4748 Location: Cheshire, England
|
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:33 am Post subject: |
|
|
philslizzy wrote:
I adapted mine non destructively. I reduced the thickness of the (inner part of the) adapter by 1.2mm with a file. Mine flares like hell and is soft. But its a nice lens to use and some like the 'dreamy' effect. _________________ Hero in the 'messin-with-cameras-for-the-hell-of-it department'. Official. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
uddhava
Joined: 22 Aug 2012 Posts: 3072 Location: Hungary
Expire: 2021-06-21
|
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:33 am Post subject: |
|
|
uddhava wrote:
I finally adjusted mine after reading this post. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|